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[sflsurfrider]

you may want to define space, because if your talking an enclosed tank with a fluid in it, there is a differential in pressure due to the mass of the fluid. typically with gases its so small its considered 0 but with liquids it is accounted for. also if you have a flowing system of tubes with bends, restrictions, ect, you will have a pressure loss due to the headloss of the restrictions.

yes, the water at the bottom of a 1/2 full 55 gallon drum is under greater pressure than the air thats right above the water. those are 2 different places though. and i do understand about head pressure and pressure loss from elbows, fittings and tube length, I.D., etc...


the 'space' im talking about the small space inside of the barbed stinger fitting. it cant be under a vacuum and under pressure at the same time (relative to itself, not atmospheric pressure). if its indeed a venturi setup, it wouldnt only draw in liquid but not air. it would draw air and water WITHOUT THE NEED OF PRIMING. but its not, so it doesnt.

Waterhawks still full of :bs2:.

troo!:haha:

come on wankmaster, lets see that vid!:cheer:

:haha::haha:

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

you're right romy, I don't need to use a bunch of wacked out terms to outline the physics of the action taking place, it is very simple.
once the water reaches the stinger fitting, and the exhaust passing by the fitting begins the spihoning effect of pulling water through the stinger hose, it's not letting any exhaust into the hose because it's pulling too much water though it to let exhaust in.

example: the same reason you don't get water from your bilge fitting in the pump to go back up through the hose and into the hull, even though there's an extremely high pressure of water going by it and against it.

it works the same way, it's called a "siphon pump".


an airbrush painting system works the same exact way, the bottle of paint is not pressurized, it has a bleeder hole for it to breathe air in and a tube that runs from the output tip to the bottom of the bottle, when air is forced across the tip it performs the same function as the ehxaust on the stinger fitting, it draws the liquid up through the tube and out of the tip.
it does NOT force air down the tube and into the bottle.

however, if you drain the paint bottle and clear the tube, air will go down into the tube and inside the bottle, just as charlies video demonstrated with the balloon.

the siphoning effect is pulling too much liquid to let air in, it's that simple.

 

[romack991]

sorry, i havent read this whole thread or any of the other thread, but if your saying the expansion chamber flow into the waterbox is causing a vacuum/pull on the cooling system, anyone with a cooling line teed to have water flow to the pisser and the chamber would never have any water out the pisser. or in the chamber for that mater. because if the flow was cause by vaccum, it would be pulling from the cooling system and the pisser. air flows much easier than water, hence it would pull from the pisser and you'd never get enough vaccum to pull the line. even if it was primed, it would pull that water out, and then be sucking air in from the pisser again.

better get your thinking cap back on if you think you can prove that statement wrong...

 

[sflsurfrider]

you're right romy, I don't need to use a bunch of wacked out terms to outline the physics of the action taking place, it is very simple.
once the water reaches the stinger fitting, and the exhaust passing by the fitting begins the spihoning effect of pulling water through the stinger hose, it's not letting any exhaust into the hose because it's pulling too much water though it to let exhaust in.

example: the same reason you don't get water from your bilge fitting in the pump to go back up through the hose and into the hull, even though there's an extremely high pressure of water going by it and against it.

it works the same way, it's called a "siphon pump".


an airbrush painting system works the same exact way, the bottle of paint is not pressurized, it has a bleeder hole for it to breathe air in and a tube that runs from the output tip to the bottom of the bottle, when air is forced across the tip it performs the same function as the ehxaust on the stinger fitting, it draws the liquid up through the tube and out of the tip.
it does NOT force air down the tube and into the bottle.

however, if you drain the paint bottle and clear the tube, air will go down into the tube and inside the bottle, just as charlies video demonstrated with the balloon.

the siphoning effect is pulling too much liquid to let air in, it's that simple.

again, with the exception of the stinger fitting, all your examples are based on what is called a VENTURI effect. say it with me waddy.... ven tur eeeee.

instead of describing how one works with your 9 paragraphs, you can just say "venturi" and everyone will know what your talking about (thatd be a first!).

the stinger doesnt 'draw' anything. it is not a venturi. the reason water gets into the stinger is because the pump forces it there.


you still havent posted your video so that clearly means that you are wrong.

 

[sflsurfrider]

HOWEVER, the water going to the stinger is under a higher pressure then that of the exhaust in the chamber.

So, does a lower pressure "draw" a higher pressure to satisfy?

or does a higher pressure "force" itself into a lower pressure?

is the glass half empty? or half full?

 

[romack991]

HOWEVER, the water going to the stinger is under a higher pressure then that of the exhaust in the chamber.

So, does a lower pressure "draw" a higher pressure to satisfy?

or does a higher pressure "force" itself into a lower pressure?

is the glass half empty? or half full?

i'd rather just ignore all physics and assume anything i say is right :biggthumpup:

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

i'd rather just ignore all physics and assume anything i say is right :biggthumpup:

yeah, you are almost always correct, except the part about me being wrong...LOL :biggrin:

 

[sflsurfrider]

yeah, you are almost always correct, except the part about me being wrong...LOL :biggrin:

actually, that is the peak of his correctness.

:haha:

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

HOWEVER, the water going to the stinger is under a higher pressure then that of the exhaust in the chamber.

really!?!?! I don't know about that charlie, the explosive force of expanding exhaust gasses most likely and extremely exceed the pressures of the pumped water from the cooling line....uhmm... especially if there's a 3/8" relief redirecting water AWAY from the headpipe to a pisser going out the ski the way the thing was DESIGNED to work.

So, does a lower pressure "draw" a higher pressure to satisfy?

or does a higher pressure "force" itself into a lower pressure?

is the glass half empty? or half full?

you're complicating the issue wayy too much man, it IS a siphoning effect, and it is NOT a venturi, however, it does ACT as one when it is drawing the water out of the headpipe. most of the water that is being "forced" through anything is leaving the side of the ski through the pisser, therefore, most of the water that is going into the headpipe after the bypass isn't under as much pressure as you think it is.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

actually, that is the peak of his correctness.

:haha:

man, thats sucks, that means he isn't right about anything at all...LOL

 

[Matt_E]

Travis...you still assume an inductive coil works on DC battery voltage.
That tells me all I need to know about your physics background.

 

[waxhead]

really!?!?! I don't know about that charlie, the explosive force of expanding exhaust gasses most likely and extremely exceed the pressures of the pumped water from the cooling line....uhmm... especially if there's a 3/8" relief redirecting water AWAY from the headpipe to a pisser going out the ski the way the thing was DESIGNED to work.
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Gee and i though tthe expansion happened in the cylinder and when it got to a point the it was not expanding enough anymore we released it out the exhaust port

You really need to do an in depth study on how an expansion chamber works wad
it may help you understand
Howeve i do believe that you will believe your own thing despite reality

Please show us the video that proves your point

if it was to be a vacum system then the stinger tube would be pushed out further into the airflow to create a stronger signal

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

matt, you need to be specific about what you're wanting to know, that is too broad of a question and they're too many variables to answer you, short of writing a thousand page book.


and wax, you are confusing "expansion" with "combustion".

and even though the expansion chamber handles most of the expansion, the exhaust that leaves the expansion chamber is still under expansion long after it leaves the ski, until it completely regulates to the outside atmospheric conditions.
not to mention that as it's leaving the expansion area of the pipe, it is being forced through a hell of a small opening compared to the rest of the chamber, which also makes it have more density and friction on the siphoning of the outlet.

 

[waxhead]

No no no you are the one thats confused
Combustion is what causes the expansion
and thus forces the piston down
Oh heck why do i bother
You have been proved wrong so many times
I dont care about what you think only that you may put some new person wrong and there for do them a diservice

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

Travis...you still assume an inductive coil works on DC battery voltage.
That tells me all I need to know about your physics background.

uhm... so you're saying that a stun-gun coil needs to be plugged into the wall in order to work? or even a taser gun?

if that was the case then there's a lot of cops that would be completely S.O.L. when trying to handle drunk idiots in the streets.

that tells me a hell of a lot about your background expertise, genius.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

No no no you are the one thats confused
Combustion is what causes the expansion
and thus forces the piston down
Oh heck why do i bother
You have been proved wrong so many times
I dont care about what you think only that you may put some new person wrong and there for do them a diservice

yeah, right wax, you're right again.

I've noticed that you tend to prove yourself wrong and right and then wrong again all in the same sentences and paragraphs. you'll say one thing that is true and then turn around and totally blow it out of the water and look totally uneducated with the next statement. and most of the stuff you say doesn't even belong in the same context, or being from the same brain for that matter. :smile:

 

[waxhead]

yeah, right waxm you're right again.

I've noticed that you tend to prove yourself wrong and right and then wrong again all in the same sentences and paragraphs. :roleyes: you'll say one thing that is true and then turn around and totally blow it out of the water and look totally uneducated with the next statement. and most of the stuff you say doesn't even belong in the same context, or being from the same brain for that matter. :smile:

Thats awesome
can you please post examples of where i have done that
and also when you are looking for the examples
can you also post your video proving your extractor theory

 

[Matt_E]

uhm... so you're saying that a stun-gun coil needs to be plugged into the wall in order to work? or even a taser gun?

if that was the case then there's a lot of cops that would be completely S.O.L. when trying to handle drunk idiots in the streets.

that tells me a hell of a lot about your background expertise, genius.

Travis, I am done with you.
You are the only self-prescribed genius in your little world, so be it.

You have not a clue in the world how things really work. I won't argue with you anymore.

One last bit of advice: People aren't really here to argue with you or getting you to come to your senses. You are a welcome piece of entertainment - people aren't laughing with you, Bra.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

Gee and i thought the expansion happened in the cylinder and when it got to a point the it was not expanding enough anymore we released it out the exhaust port

You really need to do an in depth study on how an expansion chamber works wad

:bs2:
wrong, combustion happens in the cylinder, that forces the piston down, and the decompressing gases are released into the pipe chamber where they do most of their expansion, (hence the term "expansion chamber" )


and you're saying that I need to do an in depth study of this!?!?! you've got to be kidding man, seriously.

 

[the WaTeRhAwK]

Travis, I am done with you.
You are the only self-prescribed genius in your little world, so be it.

You have not a clue in the world how things really work. I won't argue with you anymore.

One last bit of advice: People aren't really here to argue with you or getting you to come to your senses. You are a welcome piece of entertainment - people aren't laughing with you, Bra.

I'm laughing at you because you don't think an inductive coil can work off of DC voltage, while at the same time you're professing that I'm wrong..LOL

it is converted to AC through the coil before it gets to the plugs.... and you say you know a lot about this stuff!?!?


seriously.