Freestyle Stunt hull-BOB hull- short backflip whatever question

[McDog]

I covered this already but I'm going to copy and paste it so that it's clear to those that just read this thread. I miss my BOB already. I honestly discussed the pros and cons of my BOBs all along:

BOB hull SOLD but 850cc ADA billet stroker motor $4000

Why I'm selling (skip to post #2 for ski details):

I know I better answer this question before I even get started listing the details of the ski. First of all, there is nothing wrong with this ski and I love it. The short answer is that I have found myself in the situation of having to decide between two awesome hulls.

When I had BOB #6 for sale I was offered the opportunity to buy a 61 pound vacuum bagged epoxy and carbon Superfreak for what I was selling the BOB hull for. The Superfreak needed a little work and Tem volunteered to check it all out and make any repairs it needed for an extremely reasonable price. After selling it and quite a few other things and settling up with Derrick I managed to make it happen with little out of pocket expense. I planned to switch out my wife's sn hull (AKA my backup/extra ski) with the BOB and to build up the Superfreak with the ADA motor. It was going to be an awesome pair of skis. I really thought my wife would go for it because of the little cost and the opportunity to get a nice, new, awesome ski for herself.

My wife doesn't share my enthusiasm for my brilliant plan and says she likes HER pink sn just fine and that one of my new hulls has to go to put some money in the bank.

So here I am forced to pick between the two. Which would you choose? 80 pound $4500 BOB or 62 pound $8000 Superfreak?

I regretfully choose to sell the BOB. This ski and Derrick and the Ski Clinic are all awesome. I have nothing but respect and gratitude for Derrick and everyone at the Ski Clinic. They have gone WAAAY out of their way to treat me right and I will never forget it. I enthusiastically recommend the Ski Clinic and the BOB hull to anyone wanting an awesome aftermarket hull on a budget, especially if they want to learn backflips. This hull put my riding skill progression on fast forward and it's fit and finish is awesome. This is the new hull design which I found to be stable at speed and to ride less nose high than my first BOB hull.​

 

[Sanoman]

I think people bought these short hulls before riding one!

My .02

Josh,you hit on the head,lt was a mistake on my part to have bought the Stunt.But even though l spent the money l did putting it together,the experience made it worth it.And made a good number of friends along the way!

Priceless

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Some really good answers guys, just what I was looking for.

 

[Buckwild12]

I really want the new Superfreak. But I really also want to ride one before I drop that kind of cash. With the way Tem is selling them I am sure I'll see one before too terribly long. I cant make Daytona this year because all of my $ is going into the fund for the new hull. Any ideas for a demo ride day/ weekend in the Mid Atlantic region anywhere?

 

[ryan]

my 2 cents. we have 3 hulls here at the shop. 2010 wammer ,fs1 and a bob. the only way you will know what hull is a good fit for you is to ride them. not for 10 mins but for a few tanks of gas. they each have there strong points and each have there bad points. you also need to play with setups to see how each boat reacts to plate.grate,pole,bars, motor setups. i dont have time to go into all of these boats in detail right now but if anyone wants more info just give me a call. 516 779 5202.

 

[jMike]

The BOB or any other shorty hull aren't made to be all purpose hulls. These are competition hulls and are made for that. It seems like some buyers looking to do an upgrade from their Superjet expect the hull to be similar to that kind of ride and do all the top level freestyle tricks the pros are doing. There is middle ground, but it isn't inside of an 800cc+, -10" hull. I bought my BOB knowing full well that it wasn't going to be the smoothest, most stable ride. These are expert level skis and you have to ride them like that and it make a lack of skill way more obvious. Ya it rides nose high, solution get on the gas and make it do what you want. You think that the pros skis ride any different? nope they are just f'n good riders and they RIDE their machines. There is a reason the top pros are doing primarily only flips and rolls.. it is because that is what their hull/engine combos are built to do. It just seems to me people are taking these hulls out of context too much when they don't perform well outside their area of focus. Sure you can get groceries in your Ferrari but the minivan is a better tool for that job, now put that minivan on the track... The only real solution is a lot of pre purchase reality. Know what you want to do with the ski, if you want to rec ride with the occasional freestyle trick look at an FS-1 or similar length hull. If you wanna race get a hydro or SXR. If you want to do big flips and rolls, get a BOB, Superfreak or EME, etc.. There is never going to be one hull that does it all better than the rest. It just stinks that a negative light gets cast on these sweet machines because they aren't what people are looking for. If you can arrange a demo ride I would strongly recommend before purchase these skis aren't easy to ride and might not be what you are looking for.

 

[Billybo455]

ride a superfreak. it'll chase and rec ride.

 

[Matt_E]

:thinking: :biggrin:

 

[GIL]

The BOB or any other shorty hull aren't made to be all purpose hulls. These are competition hulls and are made for that. It seems like some buyers looking to do an upgrade from their Superjet expect the hull to be similar to that kind of ride and do all the top level freestyle tricks the pros are doing. There is middle ground, but it isn't inside of an 800cc+, -10" hull. I bought my BOB knowing full well that it wasn't going to be the smoothest, most stable ride. These are expert level skis and you have to ride them like that and it make a lack of skill way more obvious. Ya it rides nose high, solution get on the gas and make it do what you want. You think that the pros skis ride any different? nope they are just f'n good riders and they RIDE their machines. There is a reason the top pros are doing primarily only flips and rolls.. it is because that is what their hull/engine combos are built to do. It just seems to me people are taking these hulls out of context too much when they don't perform well outside their area of focus. Sure you can get groceries in your Ferrari but the minivan is a better tool for that job, now put that minivan on the track... The only real solution is a lot of pre purchase reality. Know what you want to do with the ski, if you want to rec ride with the occasional freestyle trick look at an FS-1 or similar length hull. If you wanna race get a hydro or SXR. If you want to do big flips and rolls, get a BOB, Superfreak or EME, etc.. There is never going to be one hull that does it all better than the rest. It just stinks that a negative light gets cast on these sweet machines because they aren't what people are looking for. If you can arrange a demo ride I would strongly recommend before purchase these skis aren't easy to ride and might not be what you are looking for.

Could thie possibly be a PERFECT post? I like to think so!

 

[jMike]

Thanks man.. I'm all for promoting the sport, all aspects of it and want to encourage all who come into it. I'm no guru or pro by any means but I know what I'm looking to do out there on the water and that's where I focus my builds and I hope other riders do their homework and do the same.. Its all about what YOU want to do out there.. I think anybody that can ride a BOB in the surf is more than a mortal man.. I would die in about 2min for sure..

It seems Sometimes the vendors can get a little wrapped up in trying to make everyone happy and promote their products as the best in all the different genre's of this sport. Is my BOB easier to ride than my superjet? Hells no.. Is it easier to flip and roll than my superjet? :notworthy: and thats good cause that's what I'm looking to do!

 

[ryan]

Could thie possibly be a PERFECT post? I like to think so!

yup pretty much nailed.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Here is what I have found from fooling with this 300SX hull for a couple of years. Weight placement inside of the hull is critical. if you want to backflip move the engine as far back as possible but when you do it know your hull will ride nose high and probably not be good for much else. If you want to rec ride and jump boat wakes move the engine forward, it will not ride nose high and be much more stable and forgiving but you probably won't get it to backflip at least not on flatwater. Also any modification you do such as shortening the handlepole or d- cutting the ride plate will make a lot more difference than it would on a stock length hull.Anyone that wants to set up a 300SX hull for freestyle I highly reccomend it but you will have to reinforce it heavily and it is a lot of work. I personally believe it rides awesome and makes a great rec ski if set up properly.

 

[Waternut]

Here is what I have found from fooling with this 300SX hull for a couple of years. Weight placement inside of the hull is critical. if you want to backflip move the engine as far back as possible but when you do it know your hull will ride nose high and probably not be good for much else. If you want to rec ride and jump boat wakes move the engine forward, it will not ride nose high and be much more stable and forgiving but you probably won't get it to backflip at least not on flatwater. Also any modification you do such as shortening the handlepole or d- cutting the ride plate will make a lot more difference than it would on a stock length hull.Anyone that wants to set up a 300SX hull for freestyle I highly reccomend it but you will have to reinforce it heavily and it is a lot of work. I personally believe it rides awesome and makes a great rec ski if set up properly.

That was pretty much my experience with the stunt hull only I moved the engine back heavily to make it handle more like a SJ.

 

[JSutton]

The B.O.B hull is by far the best bang for your buck! The only reason my bob is for sale is because im leaving the country.. When i get back the first thing I will do is build another a B.O.B. Going from a round nose to a bob hull was the best thing i could have done for my ridiing syle. It opens a new world of riding. I ride mine in the surf & flat water. It works perfect for both! I am not a small guy im 6'1 200+ lbs and I am able to get the hull to perform the way I want to, with a basic 701. That says alot!!!! I took 2nd place in amature freeride at blowsion surf slam & 7th at world finals in amature freestyle With a basic 701. I would not have been able place where i did without the B.O.B hull..

 

[SuziQ]

Excellent thread, ty. :usaribbon::usaribbon::usaribbon:

 

[OCD Solutions]

Some very good and valid posts here, glad to see not all threads go bad.

Us Matrix boys went thru the same scrutiny over hulls being sold off and everybody wanted it to be a drama. Once the hulls got into the right hands they stopped moving around and shouldn't move for quite some time now.

With all the aftermarket hulls available these days it's hard to know what is going to work best for each individual rider. In the past, if you didn't like your hull you worked at it, tweaking and modding stuff till it worked, these days there are so many reasonably priced options that swapping hulls is more than possible. The downside with options is that the grass always looks greener on the other side and it puts a ton of movement into the hull sales market that none of us are used to or recognize, so we question it.

I think that as more of these aftermarket hulls get out there and riding styles get identified, picking the right hull will become easier pre purchase. The days of "one hull fits all" are coming to an end the era of purpose built boats is upon us. Thankfully builders like the Freestyle clinic are offering affordable hulls to fit this niche market and get guys out on the water doing moves that previously required huge budgets. The future of our sport lies in getting more people interested and out on the water and their skis are doing a great job of that.

 

[Waternut]

Some very good and valid posts here, glad to see not all threads go bad.

Us Matrix boys went thru the same scrutiny over hulls being sold off and everybody wanted it to be a drama. Once the hulls got into the right hands they stopped moving around and shouldn't move for quite some time now.

With all the aftermarket hulls available these days it's hard to know what is going to work best for each individual rider. In the past, if you didn't like your hull you worked at it, tweaking and modding stuff till it worked, these days there are so many reasonably priced options that swapping hulls is more than possible. The downside with options is that the grass always looks greener on the other side and it puts a ton of movement into the hull sales market that none of us are used to or recognize, so we question it.

I think that as more of these aftermarket hulls get out there and riding styles get identified, picking the right hull will become easier pre purchase. The days of "one hull fits all" are coming to an end the era of purpose built boats is upon us. Thankfully builders like the Freestyle clinic are offering affordable hulls to fit this niche market and get guys out on the water doing moves that previously required huge budgets. The future of our sport lies in getting more people interested and out on the water and their skis are doing a great job of that.

Solid post right there from someone who's seen that side of the fence.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Personally I am really glad to see it moving away from a one size fits all mentality. What works for you may not work for me, for years I have ridden peoples Superjets trying to figure out what all the fuss was about, I still haven't figured it out. My skis work for me and the kind of riding I do,barrel rolls and backflips are probably not in my future at this point. So I have done my best to find hulls that work for my particular style of riding and then fine tune from there, lots of stuff I haven't ridden yet and want to try out if I get the chance. I rode Sweenys Octane for example and absolutely loved that ski, another ski that not everyone likes is the 650SX but that hull works for me so thats what I ride mostly.Maybe finally individuality will overtake the herd mentality that has plagued this sport for so many years, one can only hope.

 

[GIL]

Terry, here in lies the problem, we are in the midst of growing pains. The majority of people buying the purpose built hulls don't really know what they want until they recieve the hull, build it and then ride it. It is then that the purchaser of the hull wishes it was capable of more. We do not know what we want as of yet!

I am going to go out on a limb an dmake a crazy statement here.

RIDE THE DAM HULL BEFORE YOU BUY IT!!! Now to further the last statement, a 5 minute test ride will not cut it so arrange a weekend with someone to ride the hull of your dreams for 2 tanks of gas and then buy if you like!

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Terry, here in lies the problem, we are in the midst of growing pains. The majority of people buying the purpose built hulls don't really know what they want until they recieve the hull, build it and then ride it. It is then that the purchaser of the hull wishes it was capable of more. We do not know what we want as of yet!

I am going to go out on a limb an dmake a crazy statement here.

RIDE THE DAM HULL BEFORE YOU BUY IT!!! Now to further the last statement, a 5 minute test ride will not cut it so arrange a weekend with someone to ride the hull of your dreams for 2 tanks of gas and then buy if you like!

Dammit there you go using logic and common sense again, that kind of nonsense will not be tolerated here !ancake: