Is a Watercraft factory top deck legal in Am Freestyle

[FL-cracker]

^^^^Thats why it should be run what you brung.......then there would not be these kind of issues! The more competetive you get, the more $ you may end up spending, but who cares that is the competitors choice. If your cheap this sport realy isnt for you anyways.

 

[Legdrag's]

This is the fault of the IJSBA. If it's a rule its a rule. They have gotten to loose on the rules. Now its almost too late to use the same rules so they need to re-write them.

The speed limited says "55" but we are allow to go 5 over with no problem. So what's the rule?

 

[Big Kahuna]

I dont know... I was called a cheater for running my hull, and its the same weight as a superjet... built for surf... So I did not show up at Nationals. I am a coward for not showing, I am a cheater for showing.
And I dont have money to go buy another setup ! This is supposed to
be afun sport... and alot of it just gets to be a hassle... most of this
last season it was just 2 of us in region 8, both on WCF hulls, so nothing
was said... there was a couple other comps...

I said mybad to the whining thing ! It is just frustratiing... your damned if
you do and damned if you dont... Its all good, Maybe next year they will allow more varity of skis ?

I have supported Flatwater, Freerides, shows and whatever else, and apologize for the negativity, its just frustratiing sometimes !

who called you a cheater????

Problem with the rules is they are outdated............ but freestyle is like the red headed step child........... I dont know one freestyler who would actually stand up and say, "Hey, he is cheating, he is on an aftermarket hull and topdeck" Why, because we dont worry with petty ********........ I dont worry about Randy Richardson on his wammer hull........ If he beats me then it is because he is better.......... not because his hull is lighter..........

 

[IceRocket1286]

I dont think it should be only "run what you brung." They should divide amatuer into 2 seperate classes, ONE can be run what you brung, but the other class should be stock hulls, and should be allowed a maximum cc size, I dont know if you guys think 800cc is fair or not, but lets say for this purpose, everyone agrees. this 2nd amateur class should be a class with a limit on motor specs and mods, that way it can stay CHEAP and affordable.

I say that because my prime example is Jesse Martin, waste land. The kid busts his ass when he rides to be better, and works hard to save his pennies to make hsi ski better. He goes out there and competes on a virtually underpowered (compared to other am freestylers) ski, and still throws together a solid, ass kicking run. After watching his run in nashville I was really impressed with what he could do on that ski, not that its a bad ski at all.

But if you let amateur and pro freestyle be ONLY a run what you brung class, people like jesse will get F***ED out of hard work and what they deserve. Pro does not need 2 classes like amatuer in my eyes, cuz if your a pro, run what you brung is part of the game IMO. Let the people who dont have $$$ growing on trees be competitive in the "amateur spec" freestyle class

 

[FL-cracker]

^^^^Then you will have like one guy per class. I always thought people said its the rider! If you want to be competetive at any sport you have to drop lots of dough.

 

[Island750]

I agree with Ice on this account. The Am class should have division, but the pros can have a "free for all" on the mods.

Am's are developing riders, most without sponsorship. They need affordabilty, reliability. The close to stock components offer both, and the ability of the rider shines more than the machine. When I competed back in the day, I was looked down upon because I had a 750 Kawi! It was more powerful than the SJ's of the time. I got spanked. Rider ability overcame the advantage of displacement.

 

[IceRocket1286]

^^^^Then you will have like one guy per class. I always thought people said its the rider! If you want to be competetive at any sport you have to drop lots of dough.

Not necessarily, I think there would be more people who show up now because they know they have a better chance of doing well, instead of going " i have to go out on my B piped squarenose and compete against that full blown team scream roundnose with no weight to it.

 

[FL-cracker]

All I have is a B-pipe so I wouldnt mine the rules the way they are, but I also wouldnt care if I got beat by a 30k light weight BF ski either. No matter what I would just be doing it for fun, so I guess thats why I realy wouldnt care what others are running.....how stoked would you be if you were on a limited setup and beat that guy on his 30k boat:bigeyes:

I wouldnt want to not be able to compete after puting my 780 motor together. Wich is legal motor for Am class if the rules stay the same.

I would like it to be more of a open class that way as I get better, and save more $ I could get a light weight hull, and not have to compete in pro. I dunno, I just feel it will push the sport further.

Ok 2 Am classes is the way to go I guess?

 

[IceRocket1286]

All I have is a B-pipe so I wouldnt mine the rules the way they are, but I also wouldnt care if I got beat by a 30k light weight BF ski either. No matter what I would just be doing it for fun, so I guess thats why I realy wouldnt care what others are running.....how stoked would you be if you were on a limited setup and beat that guy on his 30k boat:bigeyes:

Im not saying that everyone hates the current rules, as you dont mind. Im just saying I think it would be better for alot of others who think the opposite

 

[Big Kahuna]

adding another class is not the answer.........

you remember seeing the silver SJ with the yellow graphics........ That is a Wammer hull with a strong as hell flat top motor........... guess where he came in??? Behind Jessie.......... It is not the power.......... It is desire, practice and ability..... If I had hopped on that silver ski I would have flopped, why? Becuase I am not use to the power, more than I like.
I dont like the Magoo Power Plant type motors, just not my style.

 

[RoyalFlush@PCB]

I dont like the Magoo Power Plant type motors, just not my style.

The Who?!? :cool2:

 

[Big Kahuna]

The Who?!? :cool2:

oops, slip of the fingers..

LPW or for you "FU" type, more that I am comfortable with,(Lamey Setup) but, planning on getting a little closer to that type over the winter.

 

[PancakePete]

oops, slip of the fingers..

LPW or for you "FU" type, more that I am comfortable with,(Lamey Setup) but, planning on getting a little closer to that type over the winter.

6 mil 82 bore is like 780.... that is not monster motor.

 

[Big Kahuna]

compaired to my 83mm TLR ported cylinder it is!!!!!!!!!

 

[Waste Land]

I dont make a living at this, I dont do it for life and death. This is justa sport/hobby that I'm into and love doing. You can kick my ass or lose to me on a aftermarket hull. I dont care. But ********, if your gonna have rules.....enforce the damn things.

Better equipment means bigger ampitude. No you may not be the best rider but you'll be going bigger then you would if your on the legal stuff.

Splitting the AMs is just gonna make it worse....and run what ya brung in all or upping the rules more will be even worse IMO. It's already hard to get guys to compete....now everyone that can will have AM hulls and strokers......now try to getting more people to compete that cant afford that stuff. While not always the deciding factor....its intimidating.

But it really doesnt matter to me. ISJBA doesnt care, I dont care. Bring your A/M hulls and your big ass motors....I'll just keep riding and getting better, and when I finally win...I'll have the satisfaction of doing it with crappier equipment. I'll be the guy on a 550 in a line of SXRs...

 

[Scorn800]

In my opinion it should be run what you brung for am and pro.
Isn't freestyle about the rider 1st and the boat 2nd?
all motorsports take money that's just how it is and someone will always have something faster & lighter than the next guy. This sport is about FUN. people forget that sometimes.

 

[IceRocket1286]

BK, I never said its not possible to win on a lesser machine, but do think what i thought, was fair. Im all about going out and riding anyway, thats all that counts. If you dont like to see another amateur class, I think a good possible solution is to eliminate some rules, as in less mods. Make it affordable for others as well, because I know there are people who would much rather compete against more equal skis.

 

[RoyalFlush@PCB]

really? i heard that someone protested the WCF hulls/topdecks at world finals.

I heard that the #2 AM was stopped from moving up to compete in Pro by 1 professional that didn't want the extra competition. The IJSBA left it up to the Pros competing, and one of the Pros pulled out the rule book.

I also heard that that same pro, almost got a AM skier DQ'd by talkin chit during Tech.

:dunno:

I would love to discuss these comments, but I'm sure it would turn ugly very quickly.:bigeyes:

 

[RadRat]

2nd Note:
Flatwater Freestyle will continue to grow,
and will allways be an equal part of the sport.
No matter our preference surf or flat, Support it.

And remember the Greatest Freestylers ever are Flatwater Masters!!!

well said Pat

 

[RonnyMac]

well said Pat

Ditto! :arms: