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Someone fill me in on what is going happened there , I apparently missed something while I was gone , I have been trying to piece it together but all I get are bits and pieces from posts here and there , exactly what happened there ?

When I left it was Ebrig and affordable power coming soon after that I don't know, I am assuming TPE and JSN engines use the same components ?
 
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Theres so much dirty laundry that could be aired but heres the tip. Cpi made the original design with modifications by Erik Brigham adapted to fit a yamaha superjet. Hence the original tpe (true performance engineering) eb engine. Things weren't going well or whatever happened but it was then taken over by brian sizemore torrent performance still manufactured by the same place. now the cylinder can be purchased still from torrent or jsn.

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I guess what I am really wondering is where the major screwup took place that Ebrig had to let it all go. I had dug up the stuff on CPI and understand that they make snowmobile cylinders.
 
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It takes alot of time and money to make a project like this successful. Eriks focus in the very beginning was to make them affordable and he did just that. Jordan has put in thousands of hours tinkering with stuff and doing cad all on his own time. Sweat equity helps alot.


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I guess what I am really wondering is where the major screwup took place that Ebrig had to let it all go. I had dug up the stuff on CPI and understand that they make snowmobile cylinders.
Tony chose to leave out some info…how when Kyle from dasa took it over from Erik before Brian. Or how affordable power was never Erik’s MO, but someone else’s who was involved with the project.

Or the fact that he approached CPI behind Brian’s back with the intentions to try to do a hostile takeover of a product line.
 
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Tony chose to leave out some info…how when Kyle from dasa took it over from Erik before Brian. Or how affordable power was never Erik’s MO, but someone else’s who was involved with the project.

Or the fact that he approached CPI behind Brian’s back with the intentions to try to do a hostile takeover of a product line.

Yea I tried to stay on the relevant topic but yes kyle did have it for a second but don't remember him having cylinders. I did however buy pistons from him. And your wrong you schmuck. Erik's original motive was AFFORDABLE POWER TO THE PEOPLE or something like that. And I've been working on a separate engine project with cpi. How about the fact your boy manipulated her into a contract and only bought 1/3rd of what was supposed to be purchased over that timeframe. You know your the real reason why we have these engines and for that WETBUFFALO. I thank you. For everyone's record I tried to send alec a peace agreement and he won't respond so now it's the coupe de grace, it's nothing personal just business.

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Someone fill me in on what is going happened there , I apparently missed something while I was gone , I have been trying to piece it together but all I get are bits and pieces from posts here and there , exactly what happened there ?

When I left it was Ebrig and affordable power coming soon after that I don't know, I am assuming TPE and JSN engines use the same components ?
I’m really trying to stay out of the Drama. TPE can do their thing. We can do ours. No hard feelings. TPE makes a good motor and so does JSN. Back story is simple. The cylinder comes from a company called CPI. TPE previously had exclusivity agreement to buy the cylinders and that expired. Opened up a great opportunity to put a new spin on motors based around that cylinder. I drew up every part surrounding the cylinder, did a load of testing and we released a great set of motors at great pricing.

Alec (@Wetbuffalo) I’m always happy to chat directly. I understand there’s frustration in TPE camp and would love to figure out a way to stop all this unnecessary drama.
 

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Well I really didn't mean to stir anything up , I was seriously curious about what happened because as you well know I wasn't here when it all went down.

But I will say this has been both informative and somewhat entertaining, thanks.
 

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Someone filled in most of the blanks via PM , I am not trying to create drama so I will just keep it to myself, if someone else wants to spill it , well I can't stop them so that's up to you.
 

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Thanks for the link I looked for it thinking Ebrig was the original poster ( of course that wasn't the case ) I also did not remember the actual name of the thread so my search came up empty , I ,made it through the first ten pages and I am going to have to read it in intervals , it's 81 damn pages long !
 
The original post was done by my friend Scott Mckenna. I was so tired after that day and Scotti wanted to make the announcement. I did agree but in looking back it was a poor decision, I should have waited a little longer. Phil Clemmons was the rider of that first motor. It took a couple of years to get to that point. As for the "Budget Power" bull poop phrase, that was never me. That was others grabbing on like leaches. All I wanted was to make the best, period. ----
I had another cylinder design and casting based on the cast Dasa with the ports moved around, different ex-port and other little changes done but getting a casting done well at that time was a difficult endeavor. I did not have the marketing ($$$) behind me, and to be honest, a good rider at that time was most likely sponsored and would/did not give an honest (out loud) review, so not easy. Things cost what they cost to have made, I was a one man show, sometimes I had help usually just me.
I was a racer and all I car about is best performance, so while all were into billet pretty, I was all about performance.

I didn't fail due to financial failure but I was over the jet ski bull poop, it was ruining my life at home and partly did, things like: bad mouthing, stealing of idea's, taking credit for other's efforts and ideas and most of all -----distortion of truth. I see nothing has changed.

I wanted someone that had skill to take over and keep it going and get the foundry more work, so Brian Sizemore had me call Kyle at Dasa, as there was no one else that had the real two stroke jet ski knowledge that I knew that would do the engine justice, Dasa wanted it, but the foundry made it too difficult to make work at that time.
Brian didn't want it to go away either so he took over , --and I have trained Brian in everything I know, not holding back any info from him. I am a two stroke nerd. I love math, physics and theory. I have had the fortune to work with a couple of the smartest people in the jet ski two stroke world back in its hey day. I built my first world finals competing engine back in 1990 and my last 440 superstock won the last Expert National Tour race, thanks John Frankavilla.

I still help Brian with porting ideas and product design. I help no one else-- although I still talk with Zack formally of Power House, great guy and we are the same, oh and Andrew Cesere, best 550 race engine builder out there.

The cylinder is Calvins design but you have to know how that came about. I apparently was the only person capable of understanding what it is, cause if you did and were in the industry you would have known, but you didn't. Some of the little things that make the cylinder work are me, but you won't know that because you weren't there. I worked for almost a year with Calvin as he battled lung cancer. I vistited a couple of times and did some of the mould work myself as he was getting weaker. That cylinder exists because of me and my not quitting when Calvin was dying. Elain was not part of the design, development, she had to deal with loosing Calvin and that's enough for any person. Since I had already delt with a loved one battling cancer I had a connection to both of them.

Brian Sizemore is the best choice for this cylinder/engine. He has me to help and I do, he understands the why's and hows, the other company is just theft of parts and ideas with no real knowledge other than what I told them and it was figured out for them by me. Brian improved some of the issues of my base package, things I wanted to do but once again it was only me and limited budget. As the sport changes so too does cylinder setup, I understand the how's and why and pass this on to Brian. There are other things about the engines but I get to laugh at those things.

I had partners, but I was the IP. So Tony, if you want to spread stories to make me look bad, that is what you will do to make some justification as to why you and some guy should be able to snake a product but it is what it is, but to all those reading this, TONY WAS NOT THERE. He was not part of it, he is just repeating and bending stories. I'm not going to deny all but there are reasons to why things went the way they went. I lost everything because of TPE. It took a big part of me.
My life is so much better now, Brian is a true friend and I can tell you why if face to face.
JSN, your opening statement is meant to take away from my effort and claim I just bought a cylinder from Calvin as if I was just some guy with a check and it could have been you and Tony just as easily. Fuch you, neither of you know enough to really make something as such let alone advance it. Spending hours of work at copying others work is what JSN is all about. The 1200 cylinder is my work, it didn't exist until I made changes to the base cylinder. Bet you two didn't know that! So now you just copy (to a lesser performer) what TPE does.

I don't care what is said after this. I know a bunch of no-nothings will comment as to how I'm wrong or not a good person. F-OFF I'm old and only have so many years left of this planet and I was happy for Brian but now Bull poopters have entered the market, kinda like that Krash quality.

I'm gonna F-OFF now.
 
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The original post was done by my friend Scott Mckenna. I was so tired after that day and Scotti wanted to make the announcement. I did agree but in looking back it was a poor decision, I should have waited a little longer. Phil Clemmons was the rider of that first motor. It took a couple of years to get to that point. As for the "Budget Power" bull poop phrase, that was never me. That was others grabbing on like leaches. All I wanted was to make the best, period. I had another cylinder design based on the cast Dasa with the ports moved around and other little changes done but getting a casting done well at that time was a difficult endeavor. I did not have the marketing ($$$) behind me, and to be honest, a good rider at that time was most likely sponsored and would not give an honest (out loud) review, so not easy. Things cost what they cost to have made, I was a one man show, sometimes I had help usually just me.
I was a racer and all I car about is best performance, so while all were into billet pretty, I was all about performance.

I didn't fail due to financial failure but I was over the jet ski bull poop, it was ruining my life at home and partly did, things like: Bad mouthing, stealing of idea's, taking credit for other's efforts and ideas and most of all -----distortion of truth. I see nothing has changed.

I wanted someone that had skill to take over to keep it going and get the foundry Brian Sizemore had me call Kyle at Dasa, as there was no one else that had the real two stroke jet ski knowledge that I knew that would do the engine justice, Dasa wanted it, but the foundry made it too difficult to make work at that time.
Brian didn't want it to go away so he took over and I have trained Brian in everything I know, not holding back any info. I am a two stroke nerd. I love math, physics and theory. I have had the fortune to work with a couple of the smartest people in the jet ski two stroke world back in its hey day. I built my first world finals competing engine back in 1990 and my last 440 superstock won the last Expert National Tour race, thanks John Frankavilla.

I still help Brian with porting ideas and product design. I help no one else although I still talk with Zack formally of Power House, great guy and we are the same, oh and Andrew Cesere, best 550 race engine builder out there.

The cylinder is Calvins design that I apparently was the only person capable of understanding what it is, cause if you did and were in the industry you would have known, but you didn't. I worked for almost a year with Calvin as he battled lung cancer. I vistited a couple of times and did some of the mould work myself as he was getting weaker. That cylinder exists because of me and my not quitting when Calvin was dying. Elain was not part of the design, development, she had to deal with loosing Calvin and that's enough for any person. Since I had already delt with a loved one battling cancer I had a connection to both of them.

Brian Sizemore is the best choice for that cylinder. He has me to help and I do, he understands the why's, the other is just theft of parts with no real knowledge other than what I told them. Brian improved some of the issues of my base package, things I wanted to do but once again it was only me and limited budget. As the sport changes so too does cylinder setup, I understand the how's and why and pass this on to Brian.

I had partners, but I was the IP. So Tony, if you want to spread stories to make me look bad, that is what you will do to make some justification as to why you and some guy should be able to snake a product but it is what it is, but to all those reading this, TONY WAS NOT THERE. He was not part of it, he is just repeating and bending stories. I'm not going to deny all but there are reasons to why things went the way they went. I lost everything because of TPE.
My life is so much better now, Brian is a true friend and I can tell you why if face to face.
JSN, your opening statement is meant to take away from my effort and claim I just bought a cylinder from Calvin as if I was just some guy with a check and it could have been you and Tony just as easily. Fuch you, neither of you know enough to really make something as such let alone advance it. Spending hours of work at copying others work is what JSN is all about. The 1200 cylinder is my work, it didn't exist until I made changes to the base cylinder. Bet you two didn't know that! So now you just copy (to a lesser performer) what TPE does.

I don't care what is said after this. I know a bunch of no-nothings will comment as to how I'm wrong or not a good person. F-OFF I'm old and only have so many years left of this planet and I was happy for Brian but now Bull poopters have entered the market, kinda like that Krash quality.

I'm gonna F-OFF now.
Damn kind of upsetting to hear that. I've given you credit multiple times and no one is taking anything away from you. You're very knowledgeable, Erik, and I've spent thousands of dollars and even helped with your endeavors and even funded some potential projects. I.e. spread bore cylinders that are now paper weights. we all drop the ball once in a while, but it's how you react when you pick it back up that shows true character. Calling something a copy is a little off topic sense you gave me the contacts to BUY domes ie NOSS MACHINE powervalves ie Brandon Reed and even headshells ie CPI when i would get engines 80% complete,what else was i supposed to do? I can't help the fact that I put the pieces of the puzzle together quicker than others. Since ive seen alot of cylinders i dont see what is different from an 1105 and 1200 cylinder? You know me personally, you know my family and you've slept at my house. I always had the best intentions, and I guess it is what it is. But weve all been brainwashed for too long. I guess we can agree to disagree but Since we can all buy the same heads from jegs, so to speak, then let the best team win.

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@egbrig im not going to get Into this petty and childish argument on a message board. I didn’t intend to discredit and of your work and I’m sorry if that’s how you read my post. I was simply trying to be brief. Obviously you have a lot of work in the cylinder - no one is or has ever denied that. I’m surprised you aren’t more pleased that more people will now be able to enjoy this type of performance. I guess there’s no getting away from the drama with this. For the record, I’ve never said a bad word about Brian, Erik or Alec to a single person. In fact, I speak very highly of the performance of engines built by Erik and Brian. I guess the people that designed the Yamaha 701 should also come in here and start drama with every person that’s ever built a worked 701/718/781/etc.
 

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It is kind of ironic reading that thread and seeing people that haven't been on here for tears then seeing a few show up on this thread, I finally finished it about an hour ago , funny how the thread just dropped off like that , now as Paul Harvey would say I know the rest of the story , good day.

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Damn where to start...

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From what I read on the actual thread it is probably best if you don't start.
 
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It is kind of ironic reading that thread and seeing people that haven't been on here for tears then seeing a few show up on this thread, I finally finished it about an hour ago , funny how the thread just dropped off like that , now as Paul Harvey would say I know the rest of the story , good day.
You know some of the origin story anyway. Rest of the story after that you might need to keep digging...
 
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