Who has used both a total loss ignition and a msd enhancer/stock flywheel/stock ebox? I'm running stock electrics now. I miss the total loss, but not the battery charging every 2 rides. I've looked at lightened flywheels, but not sure they're worth the expense. After talking with the MSD and JSS guys I'm told the greatest boost is from advanced timing instead of the decreased rotating mass of a lightened flywheel. How much of an increase in performance are you guys noticing when running an enhancer with a stock flywheel? Is there a huge diff between TL and the enhancer? I'm loving the simplicity of going back to stock ebox. Forgot how nice life was when I wasn't f**king with the TL brain!!!
total loss vs. enhancer
- Thread starter Pablo
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The Enchancer is a complete poosy compared to TL.
The Enchancer is better than stock CDI, but not by much at all!!!(look at the timing curve chart)
I had a RAD alum charging flywheel and a OEM CDI with the rev limiter mod(by Pro-tec) before i went to a enhancer. I wasnt impressed at all.
MSD played it too safe with the Enhancer timing curve IMO, but hey thats what they had to do in order to sell it and be safe for "bad ass CDI's for dummies". I was expecting something I could feel.
Then I went to the MSD multi channel digital TL 3 years ago and its a night and day difference in the hit and power band.
The Enchancer is better than stock CDI, but not by much at all!!!(look at the timing curve chart)
I had a RAD alum charging flywheel and a OEM CDI with the rev limiter mod(by Pro-tec) before i went to a enhancer. I wasnt impressed at all.
MSD played it too safe with the Enhancer timing curve IMO, but hey thats what they had to do in order to sell it and be safe for "bad ass CDI's for dummies". I was expecting something I could feel.
Then I went to the MSD multi channel digital TL 3 years ago and its a night and day difference in the hit and power band.
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If you like the simplicity of the stock ebox,check out the ATP Total Loss.
Uses your stock ebox, and you'll never be able to tell the boat is running anything but stock electrics when looking under the hood.
Still gotta charge your battery, though.
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- Lake Havasu City, AZ USA
Not to jack but..
I was looking at the ATP system a few months ago and trying to figure out the cost with a currency converter one day and I recall around $700ish? Does that sound right?
ATP used stock coil right?
I was looking at the ATP system a few months ago and trying to figure out the cost with a currency converter one day and I recall around $700ish? Does that sound right?
ATP used stock coil right?
I think you're far off the mark on price there, champ. Current price without VAT is 723 BP, which at today's rates equals about $1190.
Yes, it uses the stock coil.
I have mine sitting in the basement, going to install it sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Yes, it uses the stock coil.
I have mine sitting in the basement, going to install it sometime in the next couple of weeks.
The ATP is programmable through your laptop provided you buy the extra programming lead for another $43. That's chump change for simplicity but at roughly $1200 for the ATP setup itself plus shipping from teh UK, it's pretty steep. Compareable to new MSD systems but used MSD systems can easily be had for a third of that.
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- Mobile, AL
ATP (air time products) is like Advent, in that it's laptop programmable. They mention you must use a "programming lead", and I don't know how much they charge for it.
I'm not buying one, but was wondering why buy one when you can have an MSD TL for way cheaper (used of course). Even if you get a bad brain on a used purchase, you could buy 3 or 4 MSD brains after that before you offset the price of the ATP setup. Way too pricey IMO.
That said...the majority of us will buy a used brain/TL setup well before we would shell out the dough for a brand new setup of either. If a used TL works then it's as good as new to me...it does the same thing a new one does for a fraction of the price. Soooooooooooo, here's the math
used TL brain/coil/relay/plate (lets say dual pickup) = 300-600
used brain #2 (first crapped out) = 200-400
used brain #3 (more bad luck from a dead beat x-H2O seller) = 200-400
used brain #4 (retarded buyer can't throw a rock in the ocean) = 200-400
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TOTAL EXPENSE FOR USED BRAIN/COIL/ETC... = $900-2000
ATP setup new = $1200
needed cable = $60
shipping = $40
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TOTAL = $1300.
You may not be able compare apples to apples, but I can compare dollars to dollars and my money's on finding one decent MSD brain within 4 attempts. I'll bet my first or second one is a winner. I've bought two well used setups and both worked fine.
All B.S. aside I imagine the ATP setup is a first rate product, as is all there stuff. There's so much MSD stuff available and everybody under the sun is around for advice with setup and maintenance that it's a no-brainer for a hack like me.
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We'll see how my experience goes once I have it installed, but use of the stock ebox plus the price were what won me over.
I've gone the way of used MSD stuff and wouldn't do it again.
If I ever get another MSD TL, it will be brand-new.
I've gone the way of used MSD stuff and wouldn't do it again.
If I ever get another MSD TL, it will be brand-new.
Well in all honesty... I think if I ran in the salt 100% of the time, a fully exposed MSD total loss setup may not last as long as I'd like. Then again, I'm just a single guy... I'd probably make a waterproof case before I drop $1000+ on an ignition. ATP has some nice stuff though. Just wish he was over here.
steveyz250fpilot
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- Huntsville, Alabama
enhancer doesn't do shiat.
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masterblaster
X-H2
I think using the stock coil sounds like a good idea,I know some are using kawi coils on the msd setup with some luck,its seems the only thing that really messes up in the salt is the high output med coils. Can you use a single oem coil with a msd Tl I just got one and id like to try it out for surf riding.
Nice price.
Dollar for dollar, TL is a much better bang for the buck than an Enhancer.
I've personally had bad experience with MSD TL in salt, but that can be blamed on my install skills.
But I am the one that has to install it, so I am hoping the ATP setup will be more compatible with me & salt.
ORLY? There are plenty of things that can go wrong with MSD TL installs in saltwater, the coils being only one of them. Have you tried it?
Dollar for dollar, TL is a much better bang for the buck than an Enhancer.
I've personally had bad experience with MSD TL in salt, but that can be blamed on my install skills.
But I am the one that has to install it, so I am hoping the ATP setup will be more compatible with me & salt.
ORLY? There are plenty of things that can go wrong with MSD TL installs in saltwater, the coils being only one of them. Have you tried it?
steveyz250fpilot
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- Huntsville, Alabama
I went from a modded rev limit stocker to an msd a couple years ago and could tell no difference whatsoever on a ported 701.
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- South Florida
Slathering everything with dielectric grease worked great for me last Daytona.
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- Reno,NV
-Can you put the TL in a box ?
- Are there charging TL systems ?
- Are there charging TL systems ?