Retard roll

[Legdragger]

I am just getting back up to speed from last year's first barrel roll attempts and can do whatever I was doing last fall for a roll. It is really just an inverted 360 stab but I am working on getting it less corked out and more rolled. However this technique or lack of technique results in a VERY flat landing from 15+ feet up. It is the same on the superjet or X2. It feels cool and looks neat but the people on the beach can hear my hull pounding when I land which is putting some sweet cracks in my X2. I need to thicken things up in the middle under the seat befroe I break the poor thing in half. I really just need to get to Jersey and get another lesson from Pete or Paul to get past this stage in my learning curve so I don't completley destroy this X2 hull before it even warms up. Jet skiing is so fun I hope I can power my way through this stage of my learning curve so I don't have to get two new hulls after this.

 

[ski4]

that's how i started trying to learn to roll to and it never worked out for me, seemed to hard to get the ski over corked like that
just seems soo much easier to go on axis to me

 

[PancakePete]

I am just getting back up to speed from last year's first barrel roll attempts and can do whatever I was doing last fall for a roll. It is really just an inverted 360 stab but I am working on getting it less corked out and more rolled. However this technique or lack of technique results in a VERY flat landing from 15+ feet up. It is the same on the superjet or X2. It feels cool and looks neat but the people on the beach can hear my hull pounding when I land which is putting some sweet cracks in my X2. I need to thicken things up in the middle under the seat befroe I break the poor thing in half. I really just need to get to Jersey and get another lesson from Pete or Paul to get past this stage in my learning curve so I don't completley destroy this X2 hull before it even warms up. Jet skiing is so fun I hope I can power my way through this stage of my learning curve so I don't have to get two new hull after this.

Say when Pete ! You know your always welcome at my house to rip it. I think your turning and gasing into the barrel like a nose stab. I think if you set up a little diffrent on the face an tweek your lean, you will be styling, You threw a couple great ones last year... a littl nose heavy but none the less they were nice... What I mean by setup, the way you ride up the face. :biggthumpup: Holla anytime. check this out for the setup on the face.. especially for the double... http://www.pancakepete.com/petedoublesmall.wmv
I am trying to set up so I dont shoot strait off the wave and then lean. I am setting up before hand to help spin the boat around.
It is alot easier to do in person than to type and not piture the end zone... lol

 

[D Slicker]

Yo Pete was that saturday?

 

[Freestyleriverrat]

Damm Pete, I wish I could hear you hit the water on that last one. Looks like you pretty much have it you just need to tuck hard, hit the gas and pray you don't land upside down :biggthumpup:

 

[PancakePete]

Yo Pete was that saturday?

that was monday. Saturday footage being worked on !

(Sorry for the thread jack Pete)

 

[MADMAT]

Damn Pete! Nice try!! That slow motion sequence is a priceless learning tool man!!

 

[Legdragger]

Pancaker,

I have been watching that video a lot but it is tough to watch then drive 40 minutes down to the beach and remember what I need to do. It is way easier to just follow you around for 10 minutes then it just gets downloaded to my head automatically.

I know I am totally using stab initiation taking off with a whole lot of shoulder huck thrown in to get it corked out and around 360 but it is friggin scary to just tuck the shoulder without any handlebar movement after getting use to crankng the bars for so long. I am just a scared little girl.

 

[PancakePete]

Pancaker,

I have been watching that video a lot but it is tough to watch then drive 40 minutes down to the beach and remember what I need to do. It is way easier to just follow you around for 10 minutes then it just gets downloaded to my head automatically.

I know I am totally using stab initiation taking off with a whole lot of shoulder huck thrown in to get it corked out and around 360 but it is friggin scary to just tuck the shoulder without any handlebar movement after getting use to crankng the bars for so long. I am just a scared little girl.

If you have a the will. We can get you squared away. Come down anytime Pete. Serious ! You just need a little tweeking. You got it!:Banane01:
Shout me out !:biggthumpup:

 

[parrdaddy]

You up north guys and your lingo! What does 'shout me out' and 'give a holla' mean Pancake? Is that Portugese or something???

 

[PancakePete]

You up north guys and your lingo! What does 'shout me out' and 'give a holla' mean Pancake? Is that Portugese or something???

Translation = Ya'll betta cawl on da fone... LMAO. :haha:

 

[jetskier79]

it is friggin scary to just tuck the shoulder without any handlebar movement after getting use to crankng the bars for so long.

No handlebar movement?? :bigeyes:

I crank on the bars like a mofo....blaster and superjet. It's like a timed dance of leaning and turning. When I was learning to do rolls on the blaster, I was doing just what you are describing. What finally got them coming around was starting the movements earlier on the wave.

I'm not sure how the X-2 rolls, but I'm guessing it's much like a blaster. And on the blaster, I don't lean forward at all. It's totally a sideways lean up the face with a hard jam on the bars at the lip.

Slow Motion Roll

 

[PancakePete]

No handlebar movement?? :bigeyes:

I crank on the bars like a mofo....blaster and superjet. It's like a timed dance of leaning and turning. When I was learning to do rolls on the blaster, I was doing just what you are describing. What finally got them coming around was starting the movements earlier on the wave.

I'm not sure how the X-2 rolls, but I'm guessing it's much like a blaster. And on the blaster, I don't lean forward at all. It's totally a sideways lean up the face with a hard jam on the bars at the lip.

Slow Motion Roll

I did not comment to much on handler bar movement and all that. I would rather do that with pete in person. I rode with him and was helping a bit last year and what pete was doing is going strait off the wave and then turning. LIke you said he needs to work on premovement, or setup on the face and then crank the bars, turn into your turn and I do belive in leaning foward to a degree, enough to keep your body weight over the mid point of your hull and that will even out the roll some. so your not nose heavy or nosing in the air... There is a balance and the best way is to get out there and do it and have pointers, Thinking an reading what we both mean can get confusing to alot of heads. When you say jam the bars at the lip... That is good advice if you setup on the face and alot of heads are used to stabs and shoot strait of the wave and blip the top and try and either muscle the boat around or go into a nosestabspin roll. Its all good. Maybe I should of wrote this before... But that would not of Egged Leg to come down... lol :wink:

Jerry,
I watched your slow mo roll. If you did a little more "s" turn, or "c" turn or a little more face setup.. You can let the ski do more of the work and do alot less muscling the ski. That is just my opinion. That roll looked perfect. You can see you leaning hard and Jaming the bars to get boat around. I have the angle at looking at it like let the boat do some work. Its all good. As long as your having some fun.

 

[hangtime]

Lets take a ride down there when my wife leaves town for a week :biggrin: :sneaky:
May 13 - 20 :sneaky:

 

[PancakePete]

Lets take a ride down there when my wife leaves town for a week :biggrin: :sneaky:
May 13 - 20 :sneaky:

I have clinics this weekend and next weekend. Then Lanier then a competition then a show then clinic and then another then a comp and another clinic and then I got a whole weekend with Family.... Yeahhhhh ! Tell Pete to shout. We make time for your crew...

 

[djkorn1]

Legdrag... I think I am doing the exact same thing you were... Can't wait to get in the water and work on it!!

 

[demolition_x]

wher you having the clinics at?

 

[schoey]

Legdragger, that description of your rolls is exactly where I'm at, big flat landings from something that looks more like a stab than a roll. My hood ends up an inch to the right every landing and my mates rush over to see if I'm OK after hearing the bang as I hit the water :bigeyes:

Can't wait to hit the surf this weekend with these tips

thanks pete/jerry

:headbang:

Grant

 

[Legdragger]

Thanks for the video Jerry! That is helpful for my timing.

Pete, your rolls looks soooo easy. I know as soon as I follow you around for ten minutes everything will make a lot more sense. It is hard to visualize what i am doing when I can't really see myself. It is early enough in the season that i should get it figured out no problem. Just have to keep the X2 from breaking in half before I get it down.

 

[PancakePete]

Thanks for the video Jerry! That is helpful for my timing.

Pete, your rolls looks soooo easy. I know as soon as I follow you around for ten minutes everything will make a lot more sense. It is hard to visualize what i am doing when I can't really see myself. It is early enough in the season that i should get it figured out no problem. Just have to keep the X2 from breaking in half before I get it down.

I have a clinic spot that opened up next weekend. May 13-14 or june 10-11. I am just picking weekends that I can put you up Pete. If you have
a bunch of heads, the june 10-11 would be better. Difference this time is, I follow you around and pick out what is going to help you most. I am learning more about teaching all the time and what we did last year gave you an idea but really did not get you to the point you wanted to be. I am switching up the way I am doing things this year... :biggthumpup:
If you need to reach me... 1-800-FACE-PLANT... :biggrin: