pwc sales

Sanford

Sanford

ECF
Location
Freeride capital of the world
SuperJETT said:
1997 176,200
1996 191,300
1995 200,000
1994 142,000
1993 107,000
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I remember seeing it blow up. In '93 there were a few of us pulling up on the beach then withing 2 years there were so many skis out on the water and a typical Sunday you would see dozens pulling up on the same small section of beach. The waterways were so congested that it out numbered boaters (not easy to do in S/E FL). It was a sea of yellow (seadoo).

After '98 it became very obvious that the bubble had popped. Boats got well over 100" inches and were becoming 500 pound boats - I'm still shocked sit-downs today are reaching 900 pounds and $12K :bigeyes:
 
Dirtybird

Dirtybird

Ex*ta*ski
Location
St. Clair, MI
'Crockett said:
I think it indicates market saturation . . . . . . . .

I don't think there are a much lower number of people riding these days, there is just plenty of good used PWC with reasonably low hours availible to newcomers and they are not buying new.

Ski's don't wear out after a year or two and need to be replaced . . . . . in California we are lucky to have a long riding season as does Florida but realistically just how long is the average riding season and how many hours are put on a ski ?

Look at the typical "BNG" marketing plan of most of the manufacturers . . . . same ski's year after year with "bold new graphics". where's the incentive to buy if it's the same as the one you already have ?

It takes something truly new or markedly different to entice someone to replace a ski they already have and have spent time and money to set up.

The SX-R is a perfect example, it is something truly different that caused a large segment of riders (racers mainly) to got to the showroom and make a deal.

The heavily loaded used market is hurting the New unit sales, no doubt about it . . . I personally have owned 8-9 ski's over the years and never bought one of them new. How many around here buy their ski's new ? Not many I'd guess, based on the brisk used parts business that goes on around here on a day to day basis ! Everyone's looking for a "deal" . . . . . . .

Hey, what the heck . . . . JMO . . . . . I just don't think dwindling sales numbers mean that the sport is dying like some of the "Industry experts" . . .people are out at the lake riding what they already own instead of hanging out at the showroom.
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Very good explination +1 for you :biggthumpup:
 
SuperJETT

SuperJETT

So long and thanks for all the fish
Location
none
I was wondering who would notice the 3D in my post.

Supposedly sales are up to 90,000 this year which would be a 10+% increase.
 
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WBB#20

Wetbike Guru
Location
Spring Hill FLA
I would like to see how the prices changed from yr to yr. I bought my first new machine in 85 for $3,500. The manufactures hurt the market when a common worker could no longer afford a new one and had to settle for used. I think they should bring back the smaller boats at a affordable price and watch the racing grow.
 
ItsRixter

ItsRixter

SoCal Wav Jumping shiznit
Location
Sunny Diego
The environmentalists were in full force in 2000 with PWC bans in many waterways. You still can’t buy a new superjet or sxr in California (without tricky paperwork)…two strokes are very very limited....in fact all new lawn mowers in CA are all 4 stroke. Lake Tahoe bans all two stroke jet skis. We have yet to recover from the tree huggers….but we will someday!
 
Scorn800

Scorn800

Ride for life
Location
North NJ
I've heard that Kawasaki sold every sxr they made in 03 & 04. The sxr helped bring back stand up racing. It will be itersting to see 08 and if kawasaki will put the 4stoker in an sxr and will yamaha step up? Big blue is returning to sled racing will they be back to ski's racing too?
Time will tell. But good sales numbers will help.
 
jeepmark4x4

jeepmark4x4

Backflip, weeee
Location
Marietta, GA.
yeah, I would like to see the financial statements from some of the manufacturers. It seems that more and more companies these days are relying on marginal profit rather than their total revenues for a product. Most likely the companies are not losing money, the factories today seem to have a quality with a higher priced ski than over quantity vision. Jetski's are just a really hard market for companies. It's not a necessity for most family's, and most people that buy jetski's usually forget about them in there backyard anyways...but hey, im good to go for another 10 years with my 1990 superjet :banghead:
 
oxnard111

oxnard111

Creative RE Purchasing
Location
so Cali, Ventura/Oxnard area
Snackem said:
Wow that's kinda alarming. It the trend continues I wonder how long before they stop producing new standups? At the current rate it won't be long before it is no longer fiscally responsible for them to keep making standups.
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Even though we all want a deal, we should all purchase one new superjet or SXR to keep stand up alive. I'm guilty as everyone else, I always look for a good used deal, but maybe once in my life. Hell I bought a brand new SXR in 03, so I have contributed a little.
 
T-bone

T-bone

brraap....thats so 2002
i think about 150 to 200 thousand people a year buy watercraft it just now 100 thousand of them buy used.
 
djkorn1

djkorn1

kidkornfilms
Site Supporter
Location
Cleveland Ohio
They need to make smaller PWCs that are more maneuverable and fun and offer them at a much more reasonable price. Aren't they up to like 10,000 to 13,000 now??? The 4 stroke technology is also killing them. They have to put twice the engine in a ski now to get the same HP...

They are all just too expensive now.. the trend will probably continue to stay about even. I don't see a huge increase anytime soon :rolleyes:
 
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EvanB85

Team Poseur
Location
Tacoma, WA, USA
I just browsed that Yamaha annual report. US marine sales had very strong growth last year, driven mainly by the outboards (best motors out there by the way.) Yamaha sees a fair amount of growth potential in PWCs, as the cleaner boats have resurrected what was a declining market 5 and 6 years ago. Apparently, PWC operations are controlled here, not in Japan, for whatever that's worth. My prediction: 4 stroke standups in the next 2 years. Maybe even sooner.
 
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EvanB85

Team Poseur
Location
Tacoma, WA, USA
This has been driving me nuts all day now. Why not a supercharged 600 4-stroke? The dimensions would similar to what we run now. Who wouldn't get excited about the new SuperJet R6-S? Am I totally, completely off my rocker? You have to believe that for the future of mass-production standups, this could be a strong possibility.

OK, Ok, ok. I'll stop.
 
tom21

tom21

havin fun
Location
clearwater FL
Evan I can't tell you why it won't fit only why I wouldn't want it. Go and price 8 of the 16 titanium valves and then the price to replace them after water ingestion bends half of em. The price of 4 stoke engine parts is much more expensive than 2 stroke and they don't survive the water ingestion nearly as well. I will be on board when they make a 2 cylinder 4 stroke that is only slightly more expensive than the 2cyl 2 stroke. til then I will stick with the trusty 2 stroke. just my two.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't turn down the chance to ride that sick mo-fo. but it will probably be closer to the 12K to 15K price range. I think I can manage to have some fun for under 4 or 5K.
 
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EvanB85

Team Poseur
Location
Tacoma, WA, USA
Tom, I totally agree. I just know that the only way to survive will be 4-strokes. I'm trying to find the most logical solutions. For however expensive those motors are, they're still selling R6s for under $10K.

Only trying to spark some discussion. Until the 4 strokes come... Brap away
 
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