my waterdawg vacation!

[SkiNaked]

Norbert Weber
www.lightweight.de

 

[Takeastand SJ]

Well looking at this from the practical side... Norbert has a LOOOONG way to go to catch up to Jeff in the freestyle hull business. And he will never get there! Norbert has a NICE wet laid up carbon sandwich Superjet copy for $10,000 (insert sarcastic party emoticon here).

Ahhhahahaahahaaa, ya you are correct Norbert the former Toyota engineer now Porsche body maker has nothing on a guy called waterdawg.

Full carbon laminate over a 5mm core, perfectly trued bottom with a crack-resistant hull shape (that fits a B pipe with no hammering), wider pump cavity with steering and trim recesses, enlarged engine area, dual hood seal, multi exit hull drain pathways, and a bulletproof interior carbon handlepole reinforcement arch. 70 Lbs. Ya its just a copy of a SJ. Ask slutty, he's seen the hull in person and it is perfection.

I in no way was taking anything away from Jeff, if Mud of all people says the rev is a nice ski I'll agree without even seeing it.

 

[RiverRat]

The lightweight.de hull is sweet and is pretty much a work of art. Excelent carbon layup......that company is top notch no doubt! I have seen one in person :biggthumpup: I don't know how it is laid up though...........way to expensive for me to even consider it as a viable option :biggrin:

 

[waterfreak]

Also a carbon exhaust tube is not the way to go IMO. Finding a high heat resistant resin and a high chemical resistant resin would be difficult. That stuff can break down then you are SOL. If you want that peice of mind do the aluminum for an extra $300. Carbon is very expensive and not the best material for the job IMO. Scupper tubes I am sure it works well.

Does anyone know what type of resin they use on the carbon b-pipes?

Anytime carbon is used it should be with epoxy resin. As most know, a good epoxy is chemical resistant and can withstand hight temperatures as well. Has anybody ever seen a carbon exhaust on a sport bike?

As far as I know, infusion technology is much superior than pre-preg. Unless you perfectly lay each sheets of material without overlaping the other, pre preg sheets will build a little excess material. Using infusion only distributes the exact amount of resin to material ratio thus giving a much more consistent even part even strenght distribution. The drawback of course is the initial set up of the tooling required.

Why should having an aluminium exhaust cost $300?? :cool2: I think Pat is making them for under $100:arms:

 

[superramjet]

I will end up at around 12K for my WCF Factory ski with an LPW 6mm Lamey.

I'd like to see a price breakdown. If you are building a new ski w/new parts I can't image it. Are you using a donor boat that you arent accounting for?.

Your team scream boat was used. a used waterdawg or eme would sell for less than 30k

 

[superramjet]

Why should having an aluminium exhaust cost $300?? :cool2: I think Pat is making them for under $100:arms:

Pat's tube is straight, jeff's has to have bends and welding to clear the battery box

 

[Idok]

I'd like to see a price breakdown. If you are building a new ski w/new parts I can't image it. Are you using a donor boat that you arent accounting for?.

Your team scream boat was used. a used waterdawg or eme would sell for less than 30k

Im pretty sure that there are going to be some used parts on chic's new boat, but he ALWAYS has a stash of excellent condition parts (see pegboard*)


the team scream boat was used, but ********...i bet that thing didnt have 20 hours on it....that = new in my book the WCF boat will get a 140 mag that I know he got a decent deal on :biggthumpup: ....

 

[superramjet]

Im pretty sure that there are going to be some used parts on chic's new boat, but he ALWAYS has a stash of excellent condition parts (see pegboard*)


the team scream boat was used, but ********...i bet that thing didnt have 20 hours on it....that = new in my book the WCF boat will get a 140 mag that I know he got a decent deal on :biggthumpup: ....

I saying it was 12k because it was used, it cost more than that to build it

 

[hangtime]

Real nice ski:biggthumpup:
All the haters are just jealous that there is another option for getting a top notch hull for less than the other companies .

I can't wait to see this at daytona :biggthumpup:

 

[SkiNaked]

-Norbert has a LOOOONG way to go to catch up to Jeff in the freestyle hull business. And he will never get there!

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Laughs. You are comparing a do it your self desiged ski to without a doubt the highest quility skis every made?

Mile you have to be on Jeff payroll to spout out crap like that. :bigeyes:

 

[superramjet]

that blue rev hull that jeff built is the top hull in quality I've seen to date, I have touched and ridden a liteweight.de hull. I ride with a guy that has one, same guy is also the owner of the blue rev hull.

I've had experience with both hulls, have you? nope. Do you have anything usefull you can say about either hull?

 

[djkorn1]

I don't think the lightweight hull is worth the cash. I can't even begin to fathom that it is thousands of dollars better than the REV hull.

 

[njfl]

Real nice ski:biggthumpup:
All the haters are just jealous that there is another option for getting a top notch hull for less than the other companies .

I can't wait to see this at daytona :biggthumpup:

I agree with this. Jeff's work just ups the ante for the other builders out there which benefits us all.

Everyone talks about how they want the sport to grow, but then when it shows signs of growth, everyone knocks the contributors.:frown:

 

[waterfreak]

I don't think the lightweight hull is worth the cash. I can't even begin to fathom that it is thousands of dollars better than the REV hull.

What do you guys think a full carbon hull is actually worth, considering of course the price of carbon and epoxies these days?

 

[The other Alex]

No one is even in the same playing field as Norbert, his hulls are Ferraris. Waterdawg has a long way to go to compete with him in the composite side of the industry.

Nothing is wrong with chopper layup, all OEM skis are chopped, most boats are chopped and they are all fine. Chopped with re-inforcement is not bad at all. Hand laid comes at a price.
And if you recall earlier in this thread, he mentioned that, and he also mentioned that he opted for the chopper gun.

PVC exhaust is definately questionable, but you would have to take that up with him personally, and go from his experience. It may be fine in an application where it doesnt heat up to extreme temperatures.

Rubber hoses...um, correct me if Im mistaken, but all OEM skis are rubber, arent they? I dont see everyone rushing to replace all the hoses on their Superets...

Point is, this ski is totally custom, built to the buyers specs. Thats the great thing in having a ski built personally for you, you call the shots, what you do and dont want. You can do what you do to save money, and put it elsewhere. If it were you building the ski, you may do things differently, but thats just you.

Sorry if I sound a little testy, I get a little cranky all couped up here in the winter.

Awesome ski BTW, I love it.:Banane01:

 

[LANCE-LAKES]

I agree with this. Jeff's work just ups the ante for the other builders out there which benefits us all.

Everyone talks about how they want the sport to grow, but then when it shows signs of growth, everyone knocks the contributors.:frown:

yaaa what he said:skull2:

 

[RoyalFlush@PCB]

I'd like to see a price breakdown. If you are building a new ski w/new parts I can't image it. Are you using a donor boat that you arent accounting for?.

Your team scream boat was used. a used waterdawg or eme would sell for less than 30k

It's mostly new, with a few used items...

I will be LESS than 12K total when it's all said and done, unless I add more new parts to the list.

My point was that for considerably LESS $$$ I would have two kick arse skis.

And Idok's right---the Wamilton's ski had VERY little time on it when I bought it.

 

[Matt_E]

What do you guys think a full carbon hull is actually worth, considering of course the price of carbon and epoxies these days?

Not 5k difference. In fact, I have a hard time seeing more than 1-2k MAX in carbon and epoxy in that hull, especially considering that Lightweight buys that stuff in REAL bulk (not 3 yards at time)

 

[waterfreak]

chopper gun!! How can you lay up a complete hull out of bi-axial mat with a chopper gun? Yes, hand layed is definetly more labor intensive but the end result is the reward!

I would never own a chopper gun unless I was building parts that had no structural purpose and weight was not an issue.

 

[sflsurfrider]

nobody mentioned the 5200'd in radiator hose for the scupper tube.

:haha:

i sure hope jeff didnt do that plumbing work. it looks like it was done by ray charles.