Ceramic Coating Cylinder and Cases

[Roo]

I have a local guy who is reasonable as far as pricing goes for Ceramic Coating. Poor mans chrome baby :fing02:

I want to do my cases and Lamey Cylinder (if it does not sell anytime soon, and I don't get a Billet version).

Cases I do not see being a big deal. Just wondering about the cylinder and heat dissipitation (spelling?). I'm thinking no big deal.

-Andrew

 

[oxnard111]

my buddy carl strips his engines and leaves them bare. only coats them with oil after every other ride. does this to increase heat dissipation.

 

[750SX]

I wouldn't waste the money. Flat black dissipates heat better than anything, Smokey Yunik said so.

 

[Waternut]

I don't know much about the Lamey cylinder but I'm assuming it's a high performance version of the 61x... If that's the case, then I can only imagine that the cylinder will need to dissipate more heat than a stock cylinder (especially if you're running high compression). Ceramic coating works really well at keeping heat in and although that may be great for headers and exhaust pipes...not so good for engines. If you coat the cylinder in ceramic, the only place the heat can go is the head and spark plugs. I don't know that much about engines but I would think after a while, you'd start getting pre-ignition.

 

[Kennay]

Geez, with all this talk of heat retention with the coating, it sure is a good thing the cylinder relies on WATER to cool it (Large majority.) :27::ugh2:

 

[#ZERO]

I've seen ceramic coated bed plates and front covers but never a complete engine. :scratchchin:

I've used powder coating on a whole engine in black epoxy at 375F degrees for 12-minutes and it turned out pretty good.

The ceramic coating has to be baked between 500F - 700F degrees for a minumum of 60-minutes and that might cause some warpage problems with the cylinder or cases.

I don't think heat retention would be a problem with the engine coating; if anything it might actually help increase hp and add a nice bling factor.

 

[Don 79 TA]

ceramic coating i would not think would be a good idea unless it's looks you are after.
thermal barrier coating is a little different

in my talks with coaters and other professionals you would not want to coat the outsides as it would trap heat in (at least on the heads or where water helps with cooling)

you benefit from the pistons and exhaust passages being coating.
i have been told not to coat head chambers as that would affect the cooling/dissapation
i have also been told you would not want to coat stainless steel, as that would negate the cooling characterisitcs of the stainless steel (talk more in the lines of stainless steel headers/exhaust pipes)

I myself am a big fan of thermal coating the pistons, provided you have the budget for it.
it's insurance, especially if you like to tinker or run on the ragged edge

my next setup i want to also coat the exhaust port on the head too, espcially since we are here in the southwest. that is supposed to help expell the exhaust faster and help with cooling more. you would also want to coat the inside of the exhaust system as well, which i have done already

cotating the ride plate makes for a nice easy clean up



flat back is about the best paiting to use externally or leave it natural

 

[Kennay]

The motors are not air cooled!!! Does anyone remember seeing cooling fins? Jesus christ. It's the water on the inside of the jackets that rid the cylinder of heat.

 

[DAG]

so what if we Ceramic Coat the water:jester:

 

[Kaveman]

I wouldn't waste the money. Flat black dissipates heat better than anything, Smokey Yunik said so.

Wish I had a '67 Yunik powered Camaro.

 

[restosud]

coating would be great assuming it does retain heat in the engine as the air in the compartment would be cooler= +beans:fingersx:
i just wonder how it does as far as corrosion is concerned? and stainless/aluminum reaction.

 

[yamanube]

Wish I had a '67 Yunik powered Camaro.

Or a Yunik Fiero, 250hp and 51mpg!

 

[QuickMick]

The motors are not air cooled!!! Does anyone remember seeing cooling fins? Jesus christ. It's the water on the inside of the jackets that rid the cylinder of heat.

D a m n Kennay.. Im glad I wasnt the only one thinking that. Coating on the outside should not matter.

Now if it has to be baked at 700 degrees for 60 mins.... I wouldnt do that.

Hey, how about Dons Avatar huh? sweet

 

[Waternut]

I agree the engine is mostly water cooled. However, after 10-15 minutes I know I can barely keep my hand on the engine or head even with dual cooling. In my mind that means that heat escaped in other ways.

That being said, I heard rumor that Yamaslut powdercoated his engine without any ill effects but I don't know how true that is.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

I have seen several powder coated engines on here,I haven't heard of any problems thus far.

 

[restosud]

guys,think about this.the engine is water cooled.you could put insulation around it and it would not affect it one bit.
this is in effect what the hull does in the first place.

 

[GIL]

The motors are not air cooled!!! Does anyone remember seeing cooling fins? Jesus christ. It's the water on the inside of the jackets that rid the cylinder of heat.

Jesus walked on water, what? According to the general population here on the X there is no Jesus. LOL:banghead:

so what if we Ceramic Coat the water:jester:

I think u r on to something here. I am going to get to work on a water ceramic coating profalactic generator right now. LOL:bananapowerslide:

I have seen several powder coated engines on here,I haven't heard of any problems thus far.

Dammit Terry, do NOT tell everyone I ceramic coated my cylinder walls and rings!!!:twak:Oh yeah, I also ceramic coated the interior walls of my fuel lines for better fuel pressure retention redundancy w/operated at a volatile impact resistance barometric pressure depending on the water grains in the oxygen.:moon:

 

[GIL]

The motors are not air cooled!!! Does anyone remember seeing cooling fins? Jesus christ. It's the water on the inside of the jackets that rid the cylinder of heat.

Dude u really need to lay down the crack pipe. Crammit has brain washed u already! The water going thru the motor aint got a dam thing to do with cooling u moron! It's the flywheel that rotates and acts as a fan that keeps the motor cool !!!:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant:

Furthermore, the only reason for the water thru the motor is because we have to have a heater in cold weather riding !!! Geeez Now bend over and remove your head from your backside !!! LMAO

 

[Kennay]

I agree the engine is mostly water cooled. However, after 10-15 minutes I know I can barely keep my hand on the engine or head even with dual cooling. In my mind that means that heat escaped in other ways.

That being said, I heard rumor that Yamaslut powdercoated his engine without any ill effects but I don't know how true that is.

Normal operating temperature for an engine isn't as cool as what you can touch with your hand. For example, most cars need to get up to 160-180-200 or more.... can you touch that with your hand? :nana: Just because it is too hot to the touch means nothing.

 

[Kennay]

Dude u really need to lay down the crack pipe. Crammit has brain washed u already! The water going thru the motor aint got a dam thing to do with cooling u moron! It's the flywheel that rotates and acts as a fan that keeps the motor cool !!!:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant:

Furthermore, the only reason for the water thru the motor is because we have to have a heater in cold weather riding !!! Geeez Now bend over and remove your head from your backside !!! LMAO

Gil, at 6am, it's a little much for me to respond to this this early!!