Super Jet Boys it's time we had a little talk about ethics ............... Read Thoroughly

[sportfish258]

Lets just get down to Brass tacks . For most , Money is an obstacle .
We all buy used Items on this board to save money and further the enjoyment of our hobby. We are all familiar with the term Caveat emptier " buyer beware " . Is that really how we what our board to operate ? Call me old fashion , but It is a matter of ethical and moral character to disclose any and all " known " information about an item you are selling . Most things we buy we cannot inspect first person so WE MUST REALY ON THE SELLERS HONESTY . This is not my opinion , it is a moral and ethical correct standard to be adhered to . It's not a hard concept to understand , " DO TO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD DO TO YOUR SELF ".



Now on to the matter , listed below is one of many links posted to our negative seller forum . Yes , the buyer is a friend ..... Before we go any further understand I have no stake in the out come and am not specifically talking about their deal. I am however , illustrating an attitude / mentality that I think is very destructive to our small group . Below is a quote that perfectly illustrates my point.




"I was a whiner. That's what you get when you buy used stuff. He sold it to me for cheap so I should get over it. If I had specifically asked about the problems he would have told me but too bad I didn't ask. It isn't buy and try."



Just a little thought before you sell or buy something........





http://www.x-h2o.com/threads/89266-superjet0587-hid-defects-on-a-motor

 

[MADMAT]

:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

 

[cattledog]

he should have mentioned about the key area , it is clearly visable and he would have seen that

 

[ocdfreeride]

x2

 

[Big Kahuna]

Unfortunately we are going to run into those kind of people (Sellers) from time to time. In the case of the guy mentioned, I have met him, competed against him, sat at the same table as he and his Dad at Outback along with several others from here. I would not have thought that he would be like this, but it goes to show that you never really actually know somebody. Yeah, there are those here who I would trust and those who at one time I thought I could trust. It is a crap shoot at best when buying from someone who you really do not know.......

 

[imabadfish]

From what I have seen its even worse on PWCtoday. I just read a thread from some guy over there posting parts and not even mailing them out... Just collecting the cash and hiding for dear life...

That being said, everyone on here has been great to me so far when it comes to getting good used parts, however I think there needs to be a sticky in the for sale section called "X-h20 Trusted Sellers" or something like that with links to some of their positive feedback. It took me a bit to figure out who were the go 2 guys around here when I first joined.

I know there is a feedback section, but not everyone uses it.

 

[WILKEY]

Thrust and Jetmaniac only two i will ever deal with

 

[nightrider05]

Ethics mean nothing to alot of people these days. "cash is king" really is a way of living for some people...nothing matters but the money in their pocket.

It has gotten to the point that I personally will not deal with anyone that doesn't have at least 5 positive feedback..and event then I take as many precautions as I can. And its not just buying that you have to worry about....even when you sell to people they try to screw you over. I have had a few try to make BS claims towards items I have sold..but once again I had taken precautions(I mark items in a certain location and photograph this..along with taking detailed pictures of items I sell).

People are shady...gotta deal with caution.

 

[sportfish258]

I the true point of the post is not to bash this particular sale , but to reiterate that WE should hold each other to a higher standard. Most in our community are known well by someone local. I talk to several folks on the board often and have met many others at various rides. Don't be a COWARD ! Hold your friends feet to the fire . When they are riding alone they might get the picture. Even if they are a " FREE STYLE CHUMPION " i mean Champion . Im off my soap box it just needed to be said. Glad to several that agree.

 

[Waternut]

I'd like to point out something that may be obvious to some but something some people don't realize... Regardless of how long you've been jetskiing, sometimes it only takes one bad deal to run people out of the sport completely. Without naming people in particular, I know/knew of a few people that were run out of our sport by the manufacturer of my hull. Had it not been for the friendship and fellowship of my local riding group, I probably would've been run out of the sport as well over the deal with my hull.

 

[munki63]

I've have a bad deal as well, but 90% of my deals have been great, lots of good guys/girl on this site however I would never mail a check , credit card or PP only! The cheapest type if insurance... Why didn't he use either?

 

[Shonuff]

Nicely stated SportFish. Thanks again.

 

[McDog]

I've have a bad deal as well, but 90% of my deals have been great, lots of good guys/girl on this site however I would never mail a check , credit card or PP only! The cheapest type if insurance... Why didn't he use either?

I'm assuming this is directed to me. Lots of people don't take paypal and only businesses take credit cards directly. That was not the only mistake I made. I should have insisted on better pictures. I should have asked more specific questions. I shouldn't have been so trusting. Etc.

The reason I posted the linked thread was so that others wouldn't suffer my same mistake. We have to take care of each other and this was me trying to take care of other potential buyers out there who deal with this individual in the future. Those of us who don't have good ethics need to be exposed. I always go way out of my way to make sure anyone who buys from me knows EVERY flaw I can possibly think of. If they are not happy they can always send it back and I will refund the cost of the part at the very least. If I feel like I screwed up somehow I will make sure they are compensated for shipping charges too. I expect others to do the same but I know that some don't. What seems like a minor issue to one person can be a dealbreaker to someone else and vice versus but all the info should be disclosed regardless.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Honestly, when I hear the name Mark Ericson, I scream "Run Like H.E. double hockey sticks"

 

[Boris]

It's sad that we have to be so careful on this site.
It's not like this is a huge community with millions of enthusiasts in each country.

 

[McDog]

I thought the same thing but he originally built my other motor and it rips. Granted Art had to fix it after the police came to get it. LOL and this motor was supposedly built before he had all his "issues". LOL I half expected that it might need a hone and new rings and maybe worst case a bore, and I thought that the porting might be rough but it did win amateur at Nationals back in the day so it couldn't be that bad...... ......but the unmentioned woodruff key area being ripped out and the DEEP grooves in the cylinder really pissed me off.

Anyway enough about that. I knew it was a Marc Ericson motor so that part is on me and I knew the risk I was taking with that. I can blame the fact that I'm not using the cases because a chunk of epoxy is missing on the intake tract on this. I'm not upset at anyone but myself on that. The seller could have closely examined it and seen it but that issue slipping past is reasonable. The other issues are not so easily forgiven.

The main issue is honesty. Someone may have thought the motor was worth the money knowing all the unmentioned issues that it had. That person was not me. If you know about issues and decide to hide them it's wrong.

I will quit posting about this here since I already put it in the feedback section where it belongs. From now on I'm only posting (in this thread) about ethics in general and not this particular transaction.

 

[McDog]

It's sad that we have to be so careful on this site.
It's not like this is a huge community with millions of enthusiasts in each country.

I think this is why sportfish started this thread. It is sad that a group as small as we are still has issues with treating each other honestly. This has taught me to only buy from those I know and trust.

 

[Boris]

I think this is why sportfish started this thread. It is sad that a group as small as we are still has issues with treating each other honestly. This has taught me to only buy from those I know and trust.

That has served me well.

In the past the good stuff was sold here and the rest went on ebay. Than we had an influx of those who were only into skis to part them out and make a quick buck. They would sell parts without knowing what they had or how to check them not only killing the parts market but also cleaned up their areas of used skis.
Not a fan of those types but it seamed that they were "protected" here for a while. Lucky that changed.

 

[munki63]

Cover thine own ass... No PP no business But I don't think you should be partly blaming yourself, this is a small community and we should be able to trust each other, honestly when I've bought parts I don't think I have ever asked around to see if the guy is a d-bag, if the guy only have 2 posts I might not buy either

 

[Pablo]

What is the "site policy" for people that have developed a habit of ending up in the negative feedback forum? I would think that a single negative post could be miscommunication between buyer/seller, but if you end up there more than that then the problem lies within you...not your customers.