D-Roc
I forgot!
- Location
- Dirty River Rider
that last 1/3 is achievable with hp for sure. thats why it will be so cool to see marsh roll a stock ski. that will all be technique which is what a flatwater roll is all about.
barrel rolling with nothing?
- Thread starter tom21
- Start date
- Location
- Georgetown, Ontario
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i was rolling my 701 coffmans pipe and prop, it's all practising the technique.
it'll come.
Ventec
i was rolling my 701 coffmans pipe and prop, it's all practising the technique.
it'll come.
Ventec
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
not to single you out SJ Brit - but actually the question is who can do it and how little extra help do they have. I have heard that the old school guys did everything short of backflip and maybe double BR's.
so how much is enough is what I was getting at. there is a whole spectrum of skill on this site- so I figure my chances are good at least a few have done it with a stock ski- with or without footholds doesn't really matter to me so much as refuting the you have to have (insert the normal list of parts) to barrel roll.
I have the milled 701, twin carbs, b-pipe and footholds, minus 4 stock pole- my MSD is being fixed and my friends tell me I must be a really good rider because my ski needs to be tuned in the worst way and I am just too busy to do more than keep it running so I don't miss the few chances I have to ride.
What this is really about is today we were out trying it. Its my second day on flat water and I got half way round. I am stoked but some guys in my group are saying they its too hard and we need more power. to which I say- PFFTTT! so I just wanted to see how many have done it with less than my setup. which is the basic starter kit.
SJ Brit I totally agree with you( and the few other believers)- I think it can be done. And I am quick to add IF you can do it on a stock(motor) or otherwise on the flat water- its all skill and how awesome would you be in the surf with the help of mother natures setup wave?
Boris- I can totally back you up on the neck thing. what I found was fixing my timing and getting more practice on the setup wake made it go from just slamming over sideways to dragging my head 1/3 around and then finally I felt my back hit instead of my helmet. Who could of imagined landing on your back as being a great feeling. as soon as I got back on I shot for the shore to see if anyone saw it and if my wife got it on video. she shut it off seconds before cause the kids were in front of her. but I did see some other shots that are so close it was called I made it. so today that was two times I got 180.
that was leading to what do I do now? more speed work on the setup and timing, both? I need to get some clips on here but it may take me a few days- my tech skills are worse than my riding skills.:biggrin:
so how much is enough is what I was getting at. there is a whole spectrum of skill on this site- so I figure my chances are good at least a few have done it with a stock ski- with or without footholds doesn't really matter to me so much as refuting the you have to have (insert the normal list of parts) to barrel roll.
I have the milled 701, twin carbs, b-pipe and footholds, minus 4 stock pole- my MSD is being fixed and my friends tell me I must be a really good rider because my ski needs to be tuned in the worst way and I am just too busy to do more than keep it running so I don't miss the few chances I have to ride.
What this is really about is today we were out trying it. Its my second day on flat water and I got half way round. I am stoked but some guys in my group are saying they its too hard and we need more power. to which I say- PFFTTT! so I just wanted to see how many have done it with less than my setup. which is the basic starter kit.
SJ Brit I totally agree with you( and the few other believers)- I think it can be done. And I am quick to add IF you can do it on a stock(motor) or otherwise on the flat water- its all skill and how awesome would you be in the surf with the help of mother natures setup wave?
Boris- I can totally back you up on the neck thing. what I found was fixing my timing and getting more practice on the setup wake made it go from just slamming over sideways to dragging my head 1/3 around and then finally I felt my back hit instead of my helmet. Who could of imagined landing on your back as being a great feeling. as soon as I got back on I shot for the shore to see if anyone saw it and if my wife got it on video. she shut it off seconds before cause the kids were in front of her. but I did see some other shots that are so close it was called I made it. so today that was two times I got 180.
that was leading to what do I do now? more speed work on the setup and timing, both? I need to get some clips on here but it may take me a few days- my tech skills are worse than my riding skills.:biggrin:
jetskiking
Im done sanding!!!
- Location
- Dallas Georgia
A limited 701 setup can be rolled, will be rolled and has been rolled many times. Not that I can do it right now but there are some pics and another thread on this same topic. Go out there and keep trying you will get better every time and I will tell you it has alot to do with your setup and the angle your hitting it. I was playing around doing flat stabs at different angles on the wakes and found myself completely upside down twice without even meaning to. I wasn't trying to roll so I was barely tucked and hardly throwing my head but I saw how technique really comes into play on flatwater to get big air.
- Location
- Sweet Valley, pa
Wet Box is getting prett damn far around on a stock sxr with holds, not plate to plate, but pretty good. i was 3/4 rolling my ski and riding away semi clean the biggest thing that helped me to get more rotation was to put the pole on the hood. but my ski is far from stock, but my progress has haulted due to my busted leg.
Shrivel
Requires therapy.
- Location
- Acworth, GA
I'm pretty sure there was a dude on the old PWCToday boards that was rolling a stock 650 off boat wakes. I swear I remember a video of him doing it a couple years ago.
Paul also posted about rolling a Kawi 650 off boat wake a couple years ago.
Paul also posted about rolling a Kawi 650 off boat wake a couple years ago.
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- Location
- Cleveland Ohio
:hail:Wet Box:hail:is the man. My sinuses are still screwed up from trying to roll mine on small waves. I need nose plugs to try again....:bigeyes:
jeepmark4x4
Backflip, weeee
- Location
- Marietta, GA.
tom21
havin fun
- Location
- clearwater FL
I knew it! just f'in awesome.
I really admire all you guys that can roll and flip but I hold those who can do it on less a wee bit higher- WOW!
Now c'mon where are you guys that can or have done it?
I really admire all you guys that can roll and flip but I hold those who can do it on less a wee bit higher- WOW!
Now c'mon where are you guys that can or have done it?
jeepmark4x4
Backflip, weeee
- Location
- Marietta, GA.
Yeah, that day I was lucky to make it halfway around...but I found the real trick is momentum, literally on plain. Most people are scared to try inverted stuff that fast, especially when just starting out on a 650. Just get some people out to watch, its amazing what friends and peer pressure can do
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THRUST
ThrustInnovations.com
- Location
- royal palm beach florida
maybe in the surf but i dont think you can get ski to hook up and get you out of the water also with a bad steering ratio. i just got on someone ski today with a intake a impellar and msd and umi steering and i was thinking the same thing buti dont think it is possible .
Most shows do provide stockers...but they don't expect flat water rolls. Usually if they want rolls they'll give you a v-wake (or at least some boat wake), which is easily rolled or flipped on a stocker.
As soon as I land one on my friends SX300 :barrel: I'll post it and put you all to shame.:hail:to the Captain.
jetskee does really well on a stock SJ with footholds, impeller, shortened stock pole and maybe a couple other things, but nothing on the engine yet.
http://www.jetskee.com/videos/2007 Dillon Lake Barrel Rolls.wmv
http://www.jetskee.com/videos/2007 Dillon Lake Barrel Rolls.wmv
- Location
- atlanta ga
i didnt know ratti was competing pro.
jetskee
Team Not-As-Ugly-Anymore
- Location
- Newark, Ohio
Beat me to it.
Not the prettiest rolls, but I think I'm going to try practice my butt off and
get as close to plate to plate without modding my ski as I can before I break down and throw 2000 bucks worth of mods into it.
Lack of power can be compensated for by having more speed going into the setup wake.
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Superjetjim
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Lack of power can be compensated for by having more speed going into the setup wake.[/QUOTE]
So is the opposite also true? - does more HP (150bhp for example) mean you can go a little slower and still get it round?
So is the opposite also true? - does more HP (150bhp for example) mean you can go a little slower and still get it round?
WaveDemon
Not Dead - Notable Member
- Location
- Hell, Florida
no, you need more power. that thing you ride doesn't have stock power. :splatt: