wiesco vs. pro-x vs. WSM vs. OEM

waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
it correct name is torque plate bored cylinder

well thats the correct name down here

you guys more than likely have a different name
its works well
 

waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
well every time you have a rounder bore you are going to get better sealing as well as a more uniform load on the rings
i would say as the engiones were wearing out that you would actually have more power for longer
bear in mind its not like you are going to rip past the same engine with out torque plate boring
but in a race ski every little bit = a large bit
 

SkiDaddy

Just Havin' Fun!
Location
Orange City, FL
Interesting to be sure. I'll have to ask the gent doing the boring & porting about that......:sneaky:

BTW who has the best prices on Pro-X piston kits (pistons, rings, pins, clips - pin bearings not included) for third over? It's $148 for stock & first over at ParkerYamaha but they don't list 2nd over & up.:rolleyes:
 
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Freestyleriverrat

Guest
I am running Wiseco pistons in the motor Paul just did for me. I don't mind warming it up before I run, I do that anyway each time I go out just to check stuff. They are stronger and lighter, I guess time will tell how they perform and hold up.....this is my first time using them.
 

Metal4130

Eat, Sleep, Ride, Groove
Location
Chicago
When you guys install these pistons do you ever lighten them to get better performance? Also do you weight them to make sure they are the same weight before you install them so they balance correctly? I know in the R/C boat engines they do a lot of piston lightening. I was just wondering if they do this in the pwc engines.
 

SkiDaddy

Just Havin' Fun!
Location
Orange City, FL
I've not lightened a piston; for recreational use where longevity is a concern (RC pistons run what, maybe 30 actual hours before replacement?) I'm more concerned with fatigue and wear on the cylinder wall.
 

WaveDemon

Not Dead - Notable Member
Location
Hell, Florida
Metal4130 said:
When you guys install these pistons do you ever lighten them to get better performance? Also do you weight them to make sure they are the same weight before you install them so they balance correctly? I know in the R/C boat engines they do a lot of piston lightening. I was just wondering if they do this in the pwc engines.
I'd like to know also. I don't think you'd hurt the life span if you just took the heavier rod and piston and made them weight the same as the lighter ones. On small block chevy's you grind the rounded outer edge (length wise) of the rod and I think the bottom of the piston pin boss on the piston.

edit: another place to lighten without hurting strength is in any casting marks...
 
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Mile9c1

X-H2O.com
Location
Grand Rapids, MI
I've heard of people making holes in piston skirts to feed boost ports. Or something like that. But just because that's how the ports were setup to run.

IMO it's definitely not with the breakage risk to try to lighten them, it's not like Weisco or Pro-X said "hey, let's add a bunch of extra metal to this piston to slow it down".

What I'm really wondering is if anyone's weighed the same size Weisco and Pro-X piston back-to-back, to see what the difference is.
 
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Freestyleriverrat

Guest
Mile9c1 said:
I've heard of people making holes in piston skirts to feed boost ports. Or something like that. But just because that's how the ports were setup to run.

IMO it's definitely not with the breakage risk to try to lighten them, it's not like Weisco or Pro-X said "hey, let's add a bunch of extra metal to this piston to slow it down".

What I'm really wondering is if anyone's weighed the same size Weisco and Pro-X piston back-to-back, to see what the difference is.

Some one must have a set to weigh somewhere. Magoo? Wax? Have any in your shop?
 

SUPERJET-113

GASKETS FOR CHAMP BRAP!
Metal4130 said:
When you guys install these pistons do you ever lighten them to get better performance? Also do you weight them to make sure they are the same weight before you install them so they balance correctly? I know in the R/C boat engines they do a lot of piston lightening. I was just wondering if they do this in the pwc engines.

FWIW - The machinist that does my boring, balances the new pistons i give him. They're so close to begin with, it doesnt take much to have a perfectly balanced/matched set.
 

Matt_E

steals hub caps from cars
Site Supporter
Location
at peace
Actually, I have a set of Wiseco's and a set of Sudco's. Unfortunately, the Wiseco's are for an 84mm bore, and the Sudco's at 83mm.
 

orange flattop freestyler

The Carlsberg ski
Location
Essex UK
Ive run both but have Wiseco flattops in her now and "touch wood" never had a problem :biggrin:

I think the Wisecos are a much nicer piston, the quality looks much mcuh better and the weight difference is VERY noticable :biggrin:
 
Wiseco's are forged therefore the metal structure is much more dense which allows for a thinner wall to maintain the same strength but needs less material or its lighter for the same strength. Art, Pro-x, OEM are cast hypereutectic pistons. Hypereutectic means it has a 16% silicon content for strength and durability, also a Hyper*** pistons thermal expansion rate is less than a forged pistons expansion rate . You could think of it as in a cast piston the molecules are father away from each other so it takes more heat to make them move away. Wiseco's are not as hard as their cast counterparts, you can see this when they stick. A forged pistons molecules are hammered real close to each other, stronger yes but will expand more. Wiseco's are ok depending on how they are set up and for what and how they are used. You really don't need to balance the pistons they come close enough for most aps. What really matters is what is the application and how everything is set up.
 

jacob06

relapsing parts whore
Location
atlanta
if the wiseco piston is 2oz lighter,then could adding 2 of them be said to remove 4oz or a 1/4 lb of the rotating mass of the motor?not to steer off topic,but how much lighter is an aftermarket flywheel than the oem?(i would really like to know)but if the effects of adding lighter pistons are similar to an aftermarket flywheel,then the choice should be clear.the no wake zone is for warming up.i vote wiseco
 

Metal4130

Eat, Sleep, Ride, Groove
Location
Chicago
Whell you can get your stock flywheel safley lightened up to 5 oz's by pro-tec or jr. magoos.
 
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