300/440/550 VIN plate & TITLE needed

[rob B rob]

VIN plate & TITLE needed

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Here's the deal...

I bought a piece of property that had a 84 Kawasaki stand up which is in mint condition and I mean perfect condition. It looks like it has lots of work done to it but was never used. The ski was covered in a garage and hasn't been registered since 97. Here is were I have trouble, the owner of the property was not the owner of the ski and therefor I have no title for the ski. No title means no ownership and I am ready to get out on the water.

What I am looking for is someone to sell me a VIN plate with TITLE so that I may register my ski.

I am not a fan of police and they are even worse on the water and the last thing I need is to get in trouble for riding a ski that I don't own and hasn't been registered in 11 years. They would probably tow and impound the ski and I'd never see it again. Then I would have to go and spend a lot of money (which I don't have) for a new ski since I already have the fever. Anyone willing to help or have any suggestions for me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

 

[Boris]

Why start so many threads with the same question ?
You got some good advice now put it to use.

 

[Idok]

posting a thread like this is NOT a good way to fish for what you need.......By people doing this eventually the law is going to catch on and we are going to be in the crosshairs

Not saying that this stuff doesnt happen all the time, but posting it on the internet is really not the best idea in the world....





mods: I cant imagine this action is legal..I suggest removing this post and ANY OTHER like it in the future..

I frequent other medical based forums and anytime someone solicits "medical advice" the post is locked immediately...not the same, but you get my point



for no other reason other than "CYA"



My .02,


Scott

 

[barefootpolaris]

Hey man, I know you said you dont like cops, but here it goes.... I am a police officer and everyone is right. This is very illegal. Maybe I can offer some advice though. First off, depending on the state, you dont have to have a title in order to get that ski registered. Some states allow you to register a ski with a bill of sale. Talk to your local wildlife division and see what they say.

I know it sucks, but trust me, the penalty is much worse for buying vin plates and titles.

I hope this helps man and I hope that I havent completely pissed you off. I would be happy to help you out with some more info if I can. PM me and let me know.

BarefootPolaris

 

[WaveDemon]

you should be able to pick up a complete 440 or 550 with title for super cheap. just buy a complete ski.

 

[inchadeboca]

when i first started reading this post i was like .....just go to the DMV and fill out the form that finds the vin and title, but what you are asking is def illegal.

 

[Jetaddict]

If you alter or remove a VIN on any motor vehice or vessel, it is a FELONY in many states- I know it for sure is in Florida. That in mind, what you need to do is have a law enforcement agency where the ski is located conduct a VIN check on the ski to make sure it isn't stolen, and find out who it is registered to. Chances are, the registration is not current, and it lapsed- so it may not even show a registered owner. If that's the case, you can apply through the state for a lost title, and they may be able to research the original owner, but your best bet is to try to register the ski as a rebuild or salvage. The process varies from state-to-state, but you can do this legally. If you go the other route, I can pretty much bet somewhere along the lines your game will fall apart and you can end up going to jail for something so stupid that you would want to kick your own ass.
Posting stuff like this on a board is definitely not good. You never know who is watching/reading.
I'd recommend that you go to the local tax collector's office and ask them what procedure you can follow. If you bought a piece of property and this item is legally included in the purchase for whatever reason, you simply need to show paperwork verifying this and things can be cleared up pretty easily with some forms and a few bucks. Much more peace of mind if you ask me.

 

[Jetaddict]

HERE:
(from the Florida Statutes)
((3)(a) No person, firm, association, or corporation shall destroy, remove, alter, cover, or deface the hull identification number or hull serial number, or plate bearing such number, of any vessel, except to make necessary repairs which require the removal of the hull identification number and immediately upon completion of such repairs shall reaffix the hull identification number in accordance with subsection (2).

(b) If any of the hull identification numbers required by the United States Coast Guard for a vessel manufactured after October 31, 1972, do not exist or have been altered, removed, destroyed, covered, or defaced or the real identity of the vessel cannot be determined, the vessel may be seized as contraband property by a law enforcement agency or the division, and shall be subject to forfeiture pursuant to ss. 932.701-1932.707. Such vessel may not be sold or operated on the waters of the state unless the division receives a request from a law enforcement agency providing adequate documentation or is directed by written order of a court of competent jurisdiction to issue to the vessel a replacement hull identification number which shall thereafter be used for identification purposes. No vessel shall be forfeited under the Florida Contraband Forfeiture Act when the owner unknowingly, inadvertently, or neglectfully altered, removed, destroyed, covered, or defaced the vessel hull identification number.
b) It is unlawful for any person to knowingly buy, sell, offer for sale, receive, dispose of, conceal, or have in his or her possession any vessel or part thereof on which the assigned identification number has been altered, removed, destroyed, covered, or defaced or maintain such vessel in any manner which conceals or misrepresents the true identity of the vessel.

(c) Any person who violates any provision of this subsection is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

 

[Jetaddict]

This may help you too:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0328/SEC01.HTM&Title=->2007->Ch0328->Section%2001#0328.01

 

[ger87410]

So it's agreed: changing the HINs, like changing VINs, is completely illegal and is only for those $#@*& chop shops?

 

[Jetaddict]

Yep. Keeping the honest people honest, and the dishonest dishonest.

 

[hooka-2]

It's been many years ago, but I contacted Kawasaki LTD in California. I had a ski with no paper work. They had me send in a pencil rubbing of the VIN and send them $20 and they sent me a title. I don't know if they still do it or not. That was back around 1985 but it's worth a try. The lady at the time that i talked to said they just run the numbers to make sure it's not stolen

 

[Shonuff]

Good god you're old.

 

[orangefinger]

I have a similar problem with one of my skis and any help would be appreciated.

I have the ski and all information of the Owner but we are missing a lien release...problem the bank does not exist any more..

Any ideas ??

Cant register in NV without a lien release.

Chris

 

[sflsurfrider]

uh

 

[hangtime]

Doesn't Wammer buy new ski's and strip them and than sell the hulls without vins and keep the vins for his own custom made ski's .

pretty much the same thing isnt it ,how does he get away with it

 

[sflsurfrider]

Doesn't Wammer buy new ski's and strip them and than sell the hulls without vins and keep the vins for his own custom made ski's .

pretty much the same thing isnt it ,how does he get away with it

youre allowed to buy a "replacement hull" and switch your HINS over.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Doesn't Wammer buy new ski's and strip them and than sell the hulls without vins and keep the vins for his own custom made ski's .

pretty much the same thing isnt it ,how does he get away with it

I think he can "Provide" a VIN number as a Custom Craft or something like that..........

 

[Jawbreaker]

Toby had some guy come out from the state that inspected his REV and issued him vin stickers. One for the bulkhead and one for the back of the ski.
I would think if you reinforced a ski and had it stripped down they wouldn't know the difference from an oem hull and an aftermarket hull. They'd prolly issue you one like it was made in your garage. (if all the smc was covered up with carbon fiber or carbon kevlar)

 

[Jetaddict]

I'd have to agree with that above statement. If it's a rebuild, the state can issue a hull ID number for you, providing it's not recognizable in it's original form, so to speak. I would say that's the only way you could get around the whole issue, and stay legal.