Not happening. You're talking about adding 800-900 lbs to the tongue weight (baaaaaaad) or at the very back of the trailer, which would probably be worse because it lightens the tongue weight up front probably to the point of uncontrollable swaying.
Blaster Triple towing aerolite camper and dual xp yamaha jetski trailer
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todc207
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Have you considered something like this? It will pull the blasters and camp inside.- Location
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Everyone is very helpful. Lots to discuss. I am sure this thread will help a lot of others to with similar situations. What is a double hitch? If I was to get a toy hauler and bigger truck. There till is a problem unloaded the skis into the water. They cannot be unloaded with a dolly for they are heavier than stand ups and there is no place to unload besides the boat dock. Our water is surrounded by cliffs that are five to ten feet tall. I guess a narrower type trailer that would go in the toy hauler would work. That would be cool.
todc207
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I'm sorry your right. Your gonna need one of these to so you can launch the ski's once your at the lake.
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Well I understand that you want to use the truck you have, but what about a 3/4 ton with a small bumper pull trailer and a Jet Trax? Still might be pushing it on the axle weight.
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So with all the replies I think it would be best to wait. The esculade was built to look good and drive nice. Not built to be a heavy hauler. It was still nice to get educated with the weight restrictions. Looks like my family will have to tent it one more year. Will be out blasting at the lake this year regardless. Still wish we had a stand up though. I guess the only way to solve it all is to be rich. lol
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gvwr (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) does not dictate tow weight... just the vehicle and tongue weight of the first towed vehicle(camper in this case).. 3200lb camper would be aprox 320lb tongue weight... gvwr 6800lb, gcvw is 12,900lb, towing capacity 7400lb, curb weight 5800lb... based off an 06 Cadillac Escalade base model... so you weigh 5800lb empty + 320lb tongue weight = 6120lb(6800 legal) 5800lb + 3200(camper) + 1000(ski trailer) = 10,000lb(combined) (12,900 legal) 12,900lb - 10,000 = 2900lb(extra cargo) ... how many students did I lose here? there's your answer... YES you are LEGAL... just make sure you get that equalizer/stabilizer hitch between the camper and tow rig and make sure all your lights work..
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I understand your math just fine, problem is the DPS is gonna go by the GVWR of the trailer. I doubt that the GVWR of the trailer is gonna put him legal,most 26ft TT have a GVWR over 10000lbs.Jet ski trailer probably has 2000lb axle so that adds to GCVWR too. Did I lose you? Do what you want, plenty of people out there that did and found out. Might wanna call a guy that used your math, I have his number and he can give you a story you'll appreciate. I have a class A as many others do, theses weights are very important to comply with to avoid issues. I am attempting to give the OP guidlines to look into and follow to avoid problems with the safety of his family,others and personal finances/freedom. you can always rationalize your math to make yyou feel better,problem is the scale and vehicle weight ratings are gonna tell the truth.
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You could always ditch the Escalade for a 1 ton Ford. My F-350 is pretty plush, but like you said it is pricey.
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They do make quad cab , very roomie duallies. Then get a toy hauler that your trlr fits in. DONE. Its only $, if ya wanna play like big boys ya gotta pay like big boys.
Trade it all off, get a stand up, a 2 seater GP800 , a 4 wheeler or Razor, A dually and a big bad azz toy hauler. DONE.
Trade it all off, get a stand up, a 2 seater GP800 , a 4 wheeler or Razor, A dually and a big bad azz toy hauler. DONE.
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so you're going off of your buddies knowledge? gotcha... I'm confused at why you would think they would base it off the gvwr of the camper... there is very little affect on gvwr of the camper by pulling another trailer behind it.. gvwr is measured at the axles of that unit.. your theory on this would state you can't pull that camper without another trailer.. if the camper weighs 3200lb you're 6800lbs from your 10,000lb, tow rig not included in that the only thing that would be added to that is the tongue weight of the ski trailer(100lbs give or take).... the only real way to measure this situation is off the gcvw because you're not actually increasing the weight on any unit(other than tongue weight)... if you were talking an equipment trailer with equipment on it then yes, gvwr will be your problem... but that's not the case here... this case isn't a matter of adding axle weight.. if you're judging this by axle weight (gvwr) you would be seeing something like this...
tow rig 6800... camper 10,000.. ski trailer 2000... this would give you a gcvw of 18,800lbs before you had to worry..
but the actually gcvw allowed by the tow rig is 12,900lbs... meaning the tow rig and everything attached cannot exceed that... gvwr is per unit in tow... you're not adding weight to any axle.. it's not about axle weight it's about stopping power.. there are different ratings for different reasons, you can't generalize that one rating will be your limiting factor for every situation(otherwise they would only have one rating)
that's cool that you have a class A... I have doubles/tripples, tanker, and used to have hazmat endorsements and I also own and operate a wrecker with my business (but none of this is required to figure this out)... vehicle ratings are not rocket science, and are regulated so the common guy can figure it out, there are no secrets with the system, it's printed flat out on the tag...
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Then you should lnow that they go by GVWR of all combined to achieve the GCVWR. I am surprised that with all your "endorsements" you are making the statements and calculations that you are. They would have explained how all the y weights come into play and also weight distribution of load on front and rear axles.Lets say the GVWR of my truck is 13000 and the GVWR of my trailer is 13000, My GCVWR is 26000,pretty simple. As far as my "buddy" goes, it was 3 years ago in Pismo Ca. and he was using your rationale when his rig was impounded. The laws are very similar state to state. I'm not going to argue with you because you are wrong and others that use your way of thinking are in for a special surprise.
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If you're ever planning to tow a trailer with your vehicle -- whether it's a car, truck or SUV -- you should be aware of your gross combination weight rating, so you should probably start by learning the definition of a GCWR. A vehicle's GCWR is a specific weight determined by the manufacturer to be the maximum weight of a loaded tow vehicle and its attached loaded trailer. The total weight of the tow vehicle and trailer should never exceed the manufacturer's listed GCWR [source: Ford Motor Company].It's important to remember that the GCWR is not an actual measurement of the weight of a tow vehicle and a trailer, but rather the combined maximum weight limit that the manufacturer has set for the two vehicles once attached.
The primary reason for setting a GCWR for any vehicle is safety. Overloading a tow vehicle or a trailer is dangerous enough. Overload both and you've really got a problem. Not only is a heavy load difficult to control on the road, but several other components could also be at risk. For example, the braking systems may overheat and fail, reducing or even eliminating the possibility of safely slowing or stopping your vehicle. The tires may not be able to handle the extra load, potentially causing a blow out situation. The engine and transmission in the tow vehicle may overheat due to the added strain, causing a mechanical failure. Components within the tow vehicle or trailer's suspension system could bend or even break, causing you to lose control on the road. The truth is that a variety of problems could result from overloading. Again, you should never surpass your vehicle's GCWR. You should do Ford a Favor and tell them they are doing it all wrong, then they can pass it along to Chevy and Dodge and all of the DPS offices
The primary reason for setting a GCWR for any vehicle is safety. Overloading a tow vehicle or a trailer is dangerous enough. Overload both and you've really got a problem. Not only is a heavy load difficult to control on the road, but several other components could also be at risk. For example, the braking systems may overheat and fail, reducing or even eliminating the possibility of safely slowing or stopping your vehicle. The tires may not be able to handle the extra load, potentially causing a blow out situation. The engine and transmission in the tow vehicle may overheat due to the added strain, causing a mechanical failure. Components within the tow vehicle or trailer's suspension system could bend or even break, causing you to lose control on the road. The truth is that a variety of problems could result from overloading. Again, you should never surpass your vehicle's GCWR. You should do Ford a Favor and tell them they are doing it all wrong, then they can pass it along to Chevy and Dodge and all of the DPS offices
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did you misread something i posted? you're explaining the same thing you're saying i'm wrong about... you keep talking about overloading tires, when he isn't increasing the weight on an axle, he added another axle.. i don't see what you're not understanding, and i'm not saying you're wrong about anything here.. we're both saying the same thing... combined is everything in tow, and in my math i covered all that pretty clear what the vehicle combined rating was... and stated dry weight of the vehicle and weight he suggested for the trailers.. i can't know loaded weight of his rig, or camper without a scale(hard to do over internet connection) i used the numbers i had at hand and stated dry weight of vehicle(not loaded).. but he isn't adding weight to any axle that isn't already there any other day of the week... i did my math off of numbers i had based on what op said and what the oem has listed for base model Escalade(mind you base model was lowest ratings, if it an ext the gcvw is increased by about 1200lbs) if you still think we are talking 2 different things maybe go back and read my posts again... i know exactly what gcvw is.. and by the numbers given to me he is under the vehicle gcvw... maybe i should have stated in that post that it isn't figured off actual weight(maybe that's where you think i'm wrong idk)... i was just trying to help the op out by letting him realize he doesn't need to buy a 1 ton dually like you basically suggested, maybe purchase a slightly lighter camper at most.. and i'm not trying to argue the matter or make you mad, i'm just convinced we are debating this from the same side of the fence, telling the same story in a way that isn't understood by the other..
and actually state to state varies more than you think.. maybe down in Arazona state to state is close to same.. but say i leave my house in South Dakota headed for Kansas.. i get to the Nebraska state line, i have to unhook the double and pull single trailer until i get to Kansas, then go back and get the other trailer as double trailers are not allowed in the state of Nebraska(permit required).. this is commercial and non commercial.. so for you to say it doesn't vary much from state to state is incorrect information(but i wouldn't expect you to know that being from Arizona)...
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:starwars:I don't want to get on either one of your guys bad side. :kiss: Lots of good info though.
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i gave up on the double trailer. esculades suppose to look good not tow. so jet skis and tents i guess. crappy part is the lakes are dry so now im trying to find a good deal on a crt or beach dolly
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