superstock setup for surf freeriding worth it?

[masterblaster]

Im looking at getting a purpose built freestyle flat water boat,with a superstock setup,Has a jetworks built 4 mil stroker,the older style single coil msd total loss with open elec on a panel mount,not sure about that for salt and surf riding.currently running 210 comp for race gas, freestyle pump gas ported"that helps a little" maybe get some new domes cutt for 180 comp and retune the blackjack carbs?also water injected,could possibly lose that if running 180 comp?
fact b pipe on a 4 mil stroker at 180 comp will still hit pretty hard down low I would guess? I know some of you guys run these kinda setups in the surf,what do the rest of ya think,mech nightmare? or possible changes for a solid setup surf ski.

 

[Idok]

torr....TOO COMPLEX



for a boat to keep down here you want:

61x complete motor
head + bpipe
prop


thats IT.

remember how often youre going toi ride this boat..dont get fancy with your backup..

 

[Takeastand SJ]

Bad for surf, total loss and salt = wrenching on beach. Keep it simple and reliable so you can ride.

 

[the only couch rider]

scottie mac has a badass motor for sale... just needs a hull to go into... pm for info about it....

translating what he said...... it will put you in braptopia

 

[masterblaster]

idok,I feel ya on that,I was thinking pretty much along those lines myself,but after riding a few strokers,I feel like thatz really the only ski I notice a good power diffrence with. How bout losing the total loss and recutting domes to pump fuel.throw a regular elec box and stator on it.

As far as the SJ goes,Its gonna really be more of a primary ski, Ill be in jax from dec to april,plus all the summer meets ill fly in. I dont get much time on the SJ here,no pontoon to ride from here and the slow wake and cops are crazy,so its more or less blaster here.4 mil stroker should have some pretty nasty hit even with a rad charging flywheel?

 

[the only couch rider]

SCOTTIE MAC'S motor is badass it rips, have seen it run personally and it is clean too.. i would eat my dinner off of it here is what it has

6mm RAD Crank
Lamey 6mm Non PV cylinder
Ported and epoxied 62T cases
Pro Tec Billet Head with 2 Sets of Domes
Speedwerx Dry Pipe (and routing pipes)
MSD set up by John at Jetski Solutions (set up for this motor)

2750 take its just need to add carbs and go

 

[yamaslut]

that motor is perfect IMO... The older MSD's do fine in the salt.. just ask Paul (Jr.). 4mm stoker will be great for small surf and as long as you keep it clean, what can go wrong??? I highly recomend it..

 

[Matt_E]

Bad for surf, total loss and salt = wrenching on beach. Keep it simple and reliable so you can ride.

Tell me about it. :banghead:

Nice flatwater setup. I wouldn't build that for a surfboat, though.
Don't get me wrong, I got a nice flatwater setup myself, but it sucked in the surf.
In fact, Randy Laine runs a mostly stock boat in surf. He runs a pipe and impeller and such, but he even has stock porting, on a 62T 760 cyl.
Hell, Joe Kenney, runs stock electrics, single carb, porting, and not much else.


HOWEVER...it is what you got, so I would just spend some time & effort to surf-proof it. In other words, I wouldn't build that as a surf setup, but hell, you've already got it. Make it work!
I am just discouraged after getting my setup beat up in the saltwater, hence my pessimism.

EDITED to account for my own inability.

 

[Big Kahuna]

Tell me about it. :banghead:

That SS setup is waaaaay too complex for a surfboat. Nice flatwater setup.
Don't get me wrong, I got a nice flatwater setup myself, but it sucked in the surf.
In fact, Randy Laine runs a mostly stock boat in surf. He runs a pipe and impeller and such, but he even has stock porting, on a 62T 760 cyl.
Hell, Joe Kenney, runs stock electrics, single carb, porting, and not much else.

Joe also has a full S.S. preped by JSU........... But, he does not use it in monster surf..........and I believe it is running Full Spec's

 

[Matt_E]

His single setup is a 48mm Riva. :biggrin:
And I do believe the SS ski you speak of (the red boat?) is for sale.

 

[masterblaster]

slut,thanks for the vote of confidence,but you really just didnt say,"what could go wrong"? I dont have much experience with a total loss,but even on my stock elec system it has let me down a few times,My blaster is out with no spark now,on stock elec.Im thinking use it till it shows issues in the salt,then trade it for stock elec. to some fresh flatwater lover,lose the water injec,and get new domes and drop comp to 180
what does paul and most of his team use for elec,total loss?

 

[Matt_E]

Paul runs the older analog style, but he's got his inside the stock electrical box.
It's been my experience that the Total Loss system itself is fine - but you have to pay very close attention setting it up right & waterproofing it.
There's a thread in the Driveline section about that.

 

[runaway]

Joe had a superstock in his new red warthog boat and it blew up. He runs singles now for fuel economy. Joe only got a hour on a tank when he first got that red warthog boat (and thats when it had dual full specs).

I run a 5mm Able,185psi, stock bore, 5mm stroker with stock 44's. Over two hours on a tank and blistering surf power. I can idle up to a 2 foot wave and throw a flip. My backup motor is a riva 784 big bore, stock stroke, with 200psi and stock 44's. The fuel consumption is comparable since the carbs are stock. Do not get the blackjacks for freeride. I had them, they get terrible economy. I even broke them apart and ran a single, it gained economy but lost throttle response. I have also had dual 38's and dual Riva powerbombs. Stick with stock 44's, or a modified single.
I would lean away from total loss due to more electrical stuff the could go wrong, but that is not from my own personal experience. Also you are for sure gonna ingest water sometime and thats going to take alot of battery juice to get it going, the charging circuit is handy.
Definately get a lightened flywheel if you ditch the TL. I have a lightened stocker on each engine. Noticable improvement.

 

[runaway]

thats what i'm thinking.

that, and i NEED a storker!

:biggrin:

Whats a storker? Are you calling me names? :biggrin:

 

[Idok]

Torr..if its one thing I know about you...you DONT want to wrench on the beach...

K.I.S.S.


especially with as much time as you'll actually get to spend on this boat.....

 

[runaway]

I love my stroker, but there is a problem with them. Everytime I ditch my boat on a manuver and it sits upside down running in the surf, the it lets out one last brap, I see $$$$$. My heart starts racing as I swim, did it quit or suck in water? Then theres the anticipation after I flip it back over, just before you push the green button. Will it start, of course (you tell yourself over and over), she's a good girl................

Now with my other ( stock stroke, stock cylinder) motor when that happens I just kinda giggle.

 

[douglee25]

I love my stroker, but there is a problem with them. Everytime I ditch my boat on a manuver and it sits upside down running in the surf, the it lets out one last brap, I see $$$$$. My heart starts racing as I swim, did it quit or suck in water? Then theres the anticipation after I flip it back over, just before you push the green button. Will it start, of course (you tell yourself over and over), she's a good girl................

Now with my other ( stock stroke, stock cylinder) motor when that happens I just kinda giggle.

When that happens to me, I think the same thing. Then just before I hit the start button I think to myself if it would be wiser to just be pulled into the beach to pull the plugs first vs. hitting the button. :biggrin: I would hate to bend a rod on one of those manuvers.:bigeyes:

Doug

 

[masterblaster]

runaway.......very good info thanks sir.I think you are overstessing yerself with having your boat injest water at idle upside down in the surf.We have got water in so many motors,so bad the cases were filled with water,long as they are fliped upside down I could get them running again,Im pretty sure I could do that with a half dead oddesey batt,beyond that not sure,but a new batt could always be swaped in.I agree on the lightened flywheel also,rad or jetnics,with a enhanser wuld be ideal.

Idok: uh yea bud you pretty much know me,wrenching on the beach is not my bag at all.I think I would just lose the TL and put in a stocker elec after the first problem showed itself.

 

[Idok]

runaway.......very good info thanks sir.I think you are overstessing yerself with having your boat injest water at idle upside down in the surf.We have got water in so many motors,so bad the cases were filled with water,long as they are fliped upside down I could get them running again,Im pretty sure I could do that with a half dead oddesey batt,beyond that not sure,but a new batt could always be swaped in.I agree on the lightened flywheel also,rad or jetnics,with a enhanser wuld be ideal.

Idok: uh yea bud you pretty much know me,wrenching on the beach is not my bag at all.I think I would just lose the TL and put in a stocker elec after the first problem showed itself.

definatly if you had a primer and some #7's :highhorse: :bigeyes: :biggrin:

 

[runaway]

runaway.......very good info thanks sir.I think you are overstessing yerself with having your boat injest water at idle upside down in the surf.We have got water in so many motors,so bad the cases were filled with water,long as they are fliped upside down I could get them running again,Im pretty sure I could do that with a half dead oddesey batt,beyond that not sure,but a new batt could always be swaped in.I agree on the lightened flywheel also,rad or jetnics,with a enhanser wuld be ideal.

Idok: uh yea bud you pretty much know me,wrenching on the beach is not my bag at all.I think I would just lose the TL and put in a stocker elec after the first problem showed itself.

Yeah, it was mainly just a joke, but I am a little more careful with my stroker motor.
I have sunk many times, the last time my boat even caught on fire. We had it on its side pumping water out and the tank one way valve leaked fuel into the engine bay. As we where cranking the loose spark plug wire ignited the fuel. Talk about freaked out! We ran the ski into the surf line and turned it upside down to extinguish the fire, hood off, plugs out. What a mess that was. Took a while to rinse the sand outta the engine that time:bigeyes: