Set up wake questions/variations

Philip Clemmons

Philip Clemmons

Owner, P&P Performance
Location
Richmond, Va
Lucaumpits said:
lol..
so true
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Only the lucky ones...................I just cant get it right. Looks like one big peak where they meet in his vid, but mine is always two waves, one passing behind the other, and they never meet and peak.

I just watched it again tonight..............looks simple, but on the water, I have some kind of hang up................
 
SJBrit

SJBrit

Extraordinary Alien
Location
Bradenton, FL
You always get two waves. It gets a lot bigger of you have trim and pull that in the turn, but you can't make two waves from the same hull meet in one peak. The peaking comes from the wave being made as you turn, but you'll always get two.
 
Philip Clemmons

Philip Clemmons

Owner, P&P Performance
Location
Richmond, Va
SJBrit said:
You always get two waves. It gets a lot bigger of you have trim and pull that in the turn, but you can't make two waves from the same hull meet in one peak. The peaking comes from the wave being made as you turn, but you'll always get two.
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I have trim and use it.....................so his explanation in the video is "inaccurate"? The two waves never really meet as one?
 
SJBrit

SJBrit

Extraordinary Alien
Location
Bradenton, FL
The curved wave piles up into a peak at the focus of the turn, but you get two curved waves and therefore two peaks. You can think of that curved wave as lots of little waves launched towards the focus of the turn as you go around the jink. All those can meet since they come from different directions. But surface waves travel at the same speed, so the second wave that your hull puts off can never meet with the first one since it's chasing it at the same speed. It too piles up at its focus, but the two foci stay separate. I've never really looked, but I guess one of those waves comes off the bow and one off the stern.

Think about a boat going in a straight line. Waves come off at angles (19.5 degrees to be precise - it's called a Kelvin wake) and you get 3 or 4 ridges at that same angle. But they never meet - they just propagate away from the boat at the same speed as each other - chasing, but never catching up and becoming one wave.
 
SJBrit

SJBrit

Extraordinary Alien
Location
Bradenton, FL
Er, actually I think a Kelvin wake goes at 17 degrees. But the cool thing is that any hull puts a wake at the same angle, independent of speed.
 
Philip Clemmons

Philip Clemmons

Owner, P&P Performance
Location
Richmond, Va
Waternut said:
I used to use the Gil method where you make a complete U shape setup wake and then come back but I found that I was making more corrections on the approach angle and that added complication and inconsistency. When I adopted the V shape setup wake, I was able to get a much steeper wake more consistently and I was able to hit it without having to make so many corrections to my angle of approach. I've gotten out of practice lately since there have been enough boats to keep me entertained but typically I can get higher off my own wake than just about all the boat wakes. The exceptions include a slow heavy wakeboarding boat (not normal size) or a slow cruiser. Typically when I get my timing right, my setup wake white caps right as I hit it. I always come in at an angle that allows me to slip over the corner of the first and hit the second with more speed.

Regardless of what people say, you need to find what works for you and your riding style. I'm sure I've got some video of wake making somewhere that I'll try to find if you think that will help.
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Im not sure I understand a "v" wake, other than with two boats..........LOL
 
Waternut

Waternut

Customizing addict
Location
Macon, GA
The one thing I noticed was that guy in the blue wet suit that doesn't speak english makes the V turn rather than a complete U turn. Just something to think about...
 
masterblaster

masterblaster

X-H2
lenzi was using some basic turn wakes on that page of vids,watching Rok ride at finals in 08 on that page,it seemed like what ever motor setup he was running at the time was as sick as ive ever seen,id of like to have takin that rickter for a few min ride to see how she really felt
 
weston

weston

Location
Oregon
Philip Clemmons said:
So I am trying to flatwater roll, and cannot seem to get the setup wake right.

#1-I am wondering what shape most of you use?

#2-Do you hit the first or second wave?

I have been trying the "u" and cannot get the waves to meet. They seem staggered and the one on the exit side is always in front of the first-they never meet like they should.

I seem to have the best luck with a tight, round 90, but its hard to get back to quick enough.

Is there anyone out there that does clinics for this kind of stuff? I am willing and able to travel for some good pointers.................
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well the most important thing is to tell us which way you roll CW or CCW make your setup wake by turning which ever way you roll, roll right setup wake/turn right ETC. the type of turn you do (90deg, u shape) or whatever is all up to you, spend a few tanks of fuel learning what works for you. I find a kind of 90deg turn works well i also find that your speed/ski possession (nose high) in the turn has allot to do with the wake size i go in to the setup wake turn slow and half way through i increase the throttle. then med/quick blip and turn back to the setup wake. push down in to the trough of the wave and CRANK the bars! tuck, pin the throttle and enjoy the ride.

if you can't get back to the wave in time your making to tight/fast of a setup turn.
 
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tensecrnr

boost everything
Location
LA$ VEGA$
Well i found for me i do circle 8,s and drive in a 8 shape gettin the feel of the wake jump a few and then every time u turn around u will have a huge wake just waiting...at the end of the 8 u just made...i do this all the time...its way easy and draws a crowd when u roll then turn and do a huge nose stab then turn and do another big roll...
 
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tensecrnr

boost everything
Location
LA$ VEGA$
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this is what i use...it works great for me...
 
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