Set up wake questions/variations

[Philip Clemmons]

So I am trying to flatwater roll, and cannot seem to get the setup wake right.

#1-I am wondering what shape most of you use?

#2-Do you hit the first or second wave?

I have been trying the "u" and cannot get the waves to meet. They seem staggered and the one on the exit side is always in front of the first-they never meet like they should.

I seem to have the best luck with a tight, round 90, but its hard to get back to quick enough.

Is there anyone out there that does clinics for this kind of stuff? I am willing and able to travel for some good pointers.................

 

[GIL]

Phillip, this is the best wake I can make with or without using my trim.

I start off plowing into a 1/2 circle and keep plowing in a straight line approx 20' past the exit of the 1/2 circle and then haul azz 100', super fast 180*
back to the wake, cut a fuzz to the right of the 1st wave, drop in the pocket and nail it off of the 2nd wave.

Feel free to buzz me w/questions
256-339-7338

 

[ncbrock]

I do mine really simple. about a 70* turn, dont go out that far maybe 50 feet, do a 180, double back kind of on your line you just turned from, and hit the second wave.

 

[Philip Clemmons]

Phillip, this is the best wake I can make with or without using my trim.

I start off plowing into a 1/2 circle and keep plowing in a straight line approx 20' past the exit of the 1/2 circle and then haul azz 100', super fast 180*
back to the wake, cut a fuzz to the right of the 1st wave, drop in the pocket and nail it off of the 2nd wave.

Feel free to buzz me w/questions
256-339-7338

Thanks Gil! I may give you a shout. I'd really like to hookup with someone that can watch me, and tell me what I am doing wrong, but you are 12 hours away..................lol

 

[Waternut]

I use ncbrocks method except I make all left hand turns. This has been the most successful method I've used on my 750, SJ, and stunt hull. The biggest thing I've found is helpful is once you finish the setup, to continue past a good ways at a faster pace than what you created the wake at. This way, you can make the right sized wake but when you get back to the wake, you've had enough distance to regain control and are ready to hit the second wave however you want.

 

[Philip Clemmons]

I use ncbrocks method except I make all left hand turns. This has been the most successful method I've used on my 750, SJ, and stunt hull. The biggest thing I've found is helpful is once you finish the setup, to continue past a good ways at a faster pace than what you created the wake at. This way, you can make the right sized wake but when you get back to the wake, you've had enough distance to regain control and are ready to hit the second wave however you want.

Brocks looks the same as Gils, except its right handed.............................(I think)

I think my biggest issue is that I have been trying to get to the first wave, and make it big. When I started last year, I was hitting the second, but got away from it b/c timing it (getting into the trough) was difficult, and I rode with Malone for like 10 minutes in Pa last year, and he said "hit the first one........" I guess there is more to it than that and I should stick with the second.

I have in the back of my mind that I want to try backies too, and think they will take a different wave to do........................................like a nasty big "U" wave.

Hence my confusion.......................LOL

No one around here rides flatwater, so I have no one to look at or ride with for help. Makes it tougher to learn. Most of the U tube stuff has all the setup edited out, showing only the rolls.

I'll get it soon with all the feedback!

 

[ncbrock]

Ive never tried gils, but I dont see how its effective. On mine, your two wakes from the 70* turn meet and when they meet you should be going off it. I guess on his that curve in the beginning creates a joined wake. I think my diagram is easier to do for a beginner.

 

[ATS_Aaron]

Your geometry gets an F. That is a 110 degree turn, not 70. How could you not find Gils setup effective? It's the same as yours just the other direction.

 

[ncbrock]

110? are you joking? Look who gets an F on geometry... Ok I see how gils is the same now.
this is 70*

 

[ATS_Aaron]

The F stands. Yes. It's a 70 degree ANGLE. But the turn is 110. Think of it like a clock. In your case it's a backwards clock but whatever... If you are heading 12 o'clock like in your drawing. If you executed a 70 degree left turn then that is LESS than 90 degrees, so you would be headed only to about 10 o'clock. Your drawing shows a turn MORE than 90 degrees (9 o'clock). To get to the 8 o'clock or so that your drawing show you will need to turn 110 degrees.

 

[SJBrit]

You end up crossing your path as you come back in so you can intercept the big waves in the elbow.

 

[ATS_Aaron]

SJBrit - more oblique helps you therough the rough stuff and to a clean spot?

Brock - sorry for harassing you. Hopefully you'll see the 110 degree.

 

[Philip Clemmons]

You end up crossing your path as you come back in so you can intercept the big waves in the elbow.

So you are showing a left turn with a right handed 180.........................does that matter? I have been doing a left turn, left 180.........................

 

[GIL]

Phillip, this probaly aint gonna come across worth a dam but here goes,

When you get back to the wake there are 2 waves coming at you, the inner and the outer that you hull made, the object is to get through the inner wave, drop in pocket and come out going up the outer wave ballz out.

Does this make sense?

ie-your ski always makes a v shaped wake off the back and you make a half circle so that means there is a inner and outer wave that your hull made and the outer is the one you want to launch off of. I get 2X the lift off of the outer that I can get off of the inner wave.

 

[GIL]

Where is a link from Chekezlovakia with all the short how to vids on freestyle tricks? That is where I learned my method for setup wakes-great short vids that are pretty good qaulity.

 

[ATS_Aaron]

I thought we all learned setup wakes from Stoyer on the Wamiltons How-To video.

 

[Philip Clemmons]

I thought we all learned setup wakes from Stoyer on the Wamiltons How-To video.

Not me......can't get them to meet. One lags the other.

 

[SJBrit]

Turning left then making a right 180 brings you back to your waves at an oblique angle which is what you want to happen. You need to be hitting them at about 45 degrees with a pre-hop into the trough between the two waves and using the second wave to launch. If you are rolling then the sequence is:

Left jink to make the waves
Speed away then quick right 180
Approach at 45 degrees or even a bit less
A little right rudder and hop into the trough
Hit the trough on full left rudder, body forward, pole down, nail throttle, enjoy ride.

That's how I do it anyway. Except for the very last part. After "nail throttle" I get "smack head, clear water from ear, swim for ski" but it's basically the same technique for both.

 

[SJBrit]

Not me......can't get them to meet. One lags the other.

That's how it woks. You get two waves - pre-hop the first, launch off the second.

 

[Waternut]

Brocks looks the same as Gils, except its right handed.............................(I think)

I used to use the Gil method where you make a complete U shape setup wake and then come back but I found that I was making more corrections on the approach angle and that added complication and inconsistency. When I adopted the V shape setup wake, I was able to get a much steeper wake more consistently and I was able to hit it without having to make so many corrections to my angle of approach. I've gotten out of practice lately since there have been enough boats to keep me entertained but typically I can get higher off my own wake than just about all the boat wakes. The exceptions include a slow heavy wakeboarding boat (not normal size) or a slow cruiser. Typically when I get my timing right, my setup wake white caps right as I hit it. I always come in at an angle that allows me to slip over the corner of the first and hit the second with more speed.

Regardless of what people say, you need to find what works for you and your riding style. I'm sure I've got some video of wake making somewhere that I'll try to find if you think that will help.