Other Ride plate vs rider weight

[baxt3r]

Was having a discussion today regarding different ride plates and rider weight came into the question. The person I was talking to uses a D-cut ride plate and says it keeps the nose up and I'm thinking it would be an issue for me at 250 pounds.

The question is would a D-cut ride plate compared to a stock length ride plate for a lighter rider be about the same as comparing a stock length ride plate to an extended plate for a heavier rider?

 

[WaveDemon]

The compairison you are trying to make doesn't work the way you think it does. A d cut improves grip compared to a stock plate.

 

[kevbo]

You will know if your pole is too long or plate too short when the ski is tipping backwards too often at slow speeds. Superjets don't suffer from this until the rider gets big. A "D" cut stock plate has the effect of shortening the hull slightly but also makes the hull pivot quicker in low speed turns.

 

[baxt3r]

The compairison you are trying to make doesn't work the way you think it does. A d cut improves grip compared to a stock plate.

To someone with my limited experience and knowledge, it seemed like it would make sense once a rider reaches a certain weight. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[WaveDemon]

you might have a comparison with a d cut extended plat but those are very dangerous. Ride plate changes for weight are really just a band aid for poor riding position.

 

[Big Kahuna]

you might have a comparison with a d cut extended plat but those are very dangerous. Ride plate changes for weight are really just a band aid for poor riding position.

Not exactly true.(IMHO)

Take a rider who weights about 140 lbs. (Wasteland). He can kneel in his tray and the ski will float level. Take a fat ass like me at 200 lbs and if I kneel in the tray the ass end sinks down. Not take that same scenario and apply that to the ski under power. The lighter rider, the ski is going to track in a more level possition. With the heavier rider the ski is going to track in a more nose up possition. With an extended ride plate, the ski will take a more level attitude with the heavier rider making it handle more like it would with a light rider. The longer plate will benifit the heavier rider.

The D Cut plate does not increase grip. It does the opposite. It lets the nose lift more. This helps in the waves. I have found no benifit on flat water, it actually hendered me.

 

[WaveDemon]

Not exactly true.(IMHO)


The D Cut plate does not increase grip. It does the opposite. It lets the nose lift more. This helps in the waves. I have found no benifit on flat water, it actually hendered me.

The D cut increases grip, there is no 2 ways about it. a stock plate is the slipperiest plate you can have on your ski. when I first switch to a d cut I couldn't get the rear to slide out. Now that I'm used to it a stock plate feels like I'm riding on ice.

 

[tipafew]

The moral of the story......try it and see what you think. Everybody likes something different.

 

[baxt3r]

The moral of the story......try it and see what you think. Everybody likes something different.

I think that's going to be the best option when it warms back up. I'll try to remember to post results. Of course my experience will probably be different than everyone else's but that's half the fun in all of this.

 

[Idok]

The D cut increases grip, there is no 2 ways about it. a stock plate is the slipperiest plate you can have on your ski. when I first switch to a d cut I couldn't get the rear to slide out. Now that I'm used to it a stock plate feels like I'm riding on ice.

agreed....D cut increases grip...same was as a jet dynamics rideplte increases grip


it also brings the nose up a bit at the same time

 

[Rickster]

Let me give my fat arse opinion... lol (130kgs)

For us bigger guys, the D-cut brings the nose up alot, not just a little... I have just gone from a composite extended d-cut plate to a stock extended plate with no d-cut, and the ride diffference is night and day.

even tho the current plate is shorter than the composite d-cut plate, the nose rides way lower, and in fact in surf less than 1m it hinders you by keeping the nose to far down.

In large surf (2m+) it helps you in the less dense white water, especially getting out through the shore chop. The downside is that it wants to pearl you in large surf, so you don't want to drop down if your weight is too far forward.

The ski was much more 'flickable' with the d-cut plate on than with a stock extended plate, so in my experience I would have to disagree about the d-cut increasing grip.

Going forward, I think I will be chopping 10mm off the back and see how it rides, and just keep going shorter without the d-cut.

You can always weld it back on...

lol

 

[baxt3r]

Adding my experience to what Rickster says, even moving as far forward as the tray allows and shifting my weight as far forward as I can, the nose still has the tendency to ride pretty high. I'm sure chopping the pole will help a bit too. Its just a matter of how to pay for it all. Donations anyone?

 

[Tyler Zane]

Adding my experience to what Rickster says, even moving as far forward as the tray allows and shifting my weight as far forward as I can, the nose still has the tendency to ride pretty high. I'm sure chopping the pole will help a bit too. Its just a matter of how to pay for it all. Donations anyone?

chopping the pole down will not cost you much. and instead of donations you could sell one of those couches :beerchug:

 

[FlightPlanDan]

IMO, you can change ride-plates like socks. Unless it's something drastic, the difference is minimal. Stock feels good to me. I d-cut a stock plate....maybe the nose stayed up a bit, worx dominator (long), pearled a lot. (I'm about 210lbs)
Now I've cut the dominator to stock length. It had a relatively small "D" hole in it but it works.

I've always been a critic of the d-cut mod. I don't think it does squat.
But long plates will keep your nose down, hinder rotation in backy's etc...

Stock length, d-cut or not is the way to go. IMO.

 

[Rickster]

Adding my experience to what Rickster says, even moving as far forward as the tray allows and shifting my weight as far forward as I can, the nose still has the tendency to ride pretty high. I'm sure chopping the pole will help a bit too. Its just a matter of how to pay for it all. Donations anyone?

My steering pole combination is -7.5" and it helps alot

 

[Rickster]

IMO, you can change ride-plates like socks.

The heavier/taller the rider, the higher the center of gravity, and based on my experience small changes to teh ride plate makes a huge change to the feel of the ride.

Stock length, d-cut or not is the way to go. IMO.

and for me a stock length ride plate in the sure (2m+) just does not do it... I guess that's why we have so many options....

:beerchug:

 

[baxt3r]

chopping the pole down will not cost you much. and instead of donations you could sell one of those couches :beerchug:

Can't do that. The wife would not be pleased.