Quick steering mod... Need opinions

Ericfox

Do it twice?That's DooDoo
So... what do you guys think... which setup is better?

Here is what I set up... I noticed I get noticably more throw to the left than I do to the right... Is this normal for all quick steering setups?

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I ground both back sides of the steering nozzle so it would not hit the reduction nozzle.

I ground the bottom right pump bolt flange a little because the steering cable was hitting it, so now it does not hit when the nozzle is pointed all the way to the right.

I am not sure if this little bracket is better than just drilling a hole closer to the nozzle like the next pic.... I would like to hear your opinions.

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Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
check your steering cable when you crank the bars hard left, make sure it is not hitting the pump where the water line comes out, I had this happen, bent 2 cables in 2 weeks before I realized what was going on.
 

h2odesperado

Pin it to win it
Location
Charlotte, NC
you effectively shortened your cable by having the mount closer to the cable mount. Try adjusting the little barrel to make sure the nozzle is centered when the steering is centered.
 

Ericfox

Do it twice?That's DooDoo
check your steering cable when you crank the bars hard left, make sure it is not hitting the pump where the water line comes out, I had this happen, bent 2 cables in 2 weeks before I realized what was going on.


I mounted the ball on the bottom of the bracket so it misses the waterline piece...
 

Ericfox

Do it twice?That's DooDoo
you effectively shortened your cable by having the mount closer to the cable mount. Try adjusting the little barrel to make sure the nozzle is centered when the steering is centered.

I will make sure the steering is centered when I put everything back together.... as it sits now I have everything but the hull and pump off the ski as I am doing all the mods this winter...
 

Ericfox

Do it twice?That's DooDoo
Biggest question I have is:

is there any reason mounting the ball forward and left using a bracket like in my pictures better than just moving it left by drilling another hole in the nozzle like in the last picture???

Thanks for the replys so far...
 

Dustin Mustangs

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Location
Holland, MI
Looks to me like the only advantage to the bracket is that it increases the min turning angle that would bind the quick release fitting into the steering nozzle. IMO this isn't really an issue anyways as long as you're willing to clearance that area with a rotary tool or something.
 
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Ericfox

Do it twice?That's DooDoo
Does anyone see any reason my bracket setup might not be as good as just setting it up like the bottom pic? When you setup the steering like this does the nozzle always have more throw to the left? Is this something you get used to when riding? Or does the left-right throw equal out when you setup the turnplate/stearing?
 

freestylegeek

waiting...
Location
Grand Rapids, MI
Does anyone see any reason my bracket setup might not be as good as just setting it up like the bottom pic? When you setup the steering like this does the nozzle always have more throw to the left? Is this something you get used to when riding? Or does the left-right throw equal out when you setup the turnplate/stearing?

Your set-up gets the pivot ball closer to the steering nozzle axis. That's the whole goal. It also allows you to spin the barrel onto the threads of the cable farther increasing it's strength. You did the right thing.
 
for equal left/right motion, doesn't the pivot need to be in the same plane as the nozzle pivots?? Your mod moves it out of plane and moves it forward. I think this would affect the left/right geometry. All nozzles I've seen have the steering pivot on the same plane as the nozzle pivots.
 

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
yes, it will push more than pull..........

just about any mod on a ski is a give or take to some degree.

if you want more bottom end you lose top end.
if you want faster throw you can move it straight in with little after effects, but if you move it forward or back you gain or loose on one direction. but on the gain side you really do gain.
 

Ericfox

Do it twice?That's DooDoo
yeah... I gain so much throw to the left that the exiting water would prob. almost hit the hull... looks like it should just clear... I will have to look at it again later cuz I kinda forget exactly how far it went... I will take a pic
 

kingnothing3

give me fuel give me fire
Looking at everything you have done, if I understand why this works... This only helps to get more throw the the left. correct? I roll to the right so If I made a bracket that went left and out way from the pump instead of in, that would give me more pull for more throw the the right. Am I completly crazy or does that make sense?:dunno:


Here is a picture to better explain what I think. the black is stock, blue is what eric did, red Is what I want to do for more throw to the right.
 

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Ericfox

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Looking at everything you have done, if I understand why this works... This only helps to get more throw the the left. correct? I roll to the right so If I made a bracket that went left and out way from the pump instead of in, that would give me more pull for more throw the the right. Am I completly crazy or does that make sense?:dunno:


Here is a picture to better explain what I think. the black is stock, blue is what eric did, red Is what I want to do for more throw to the right.

I ended up changing my setup... that bracket worked ok, but the screws I used to attach it ended up coming loose a little and then my steering cable end attachment thingy got jacked up.... I fixed it, but I ended up just drilling a hole farther in on the nozzle itself and decided to just forget about the bracket... I could not really tell a difference.... I would recommend not bothering with the bracket and just drilling the hole and tapping it into the plastic... I think the difference is so minor (between the bracket and drilling the hole closer to the center in the plastic) that it would not change anything enough to make it worth messing with...
 
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Philip Clemmons

Owner, P&P Performance
Location
Richmond, Va
Check to see that the cable is not bottoming out at the handpole............I had this issue and had to play with cable adjustments to get the throw right...........Looked like it was stop to stop, but it was actually stopping on the cable, not the stop.................
 
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