question on 6m6,61x,62t SN conversion

luisdeleon

luisdeleon

Location
vallejo, ca
did a bit of searching and am currently looking for a SN to do a top deck conv. i was wondering if i got a sn with a 650 i can use the electronics and be fine to run a 62t? what i'm getting at is i spend 1500 on a running SN 650 or 500 or less on a SN hull with nothing. find a 62t, electronics and so on.. just wanted to know what would be bettter, empty or with engine and 1000 $ difference.

thanks

luis
 
wayne

wayne

wannaroll
Location
Mesquite, Texas
the only difference is that the 650 cdi has a lower rev limiter. i believe you can use every thing, but you have to use the stator and flywheel together. in other words a 62t flywheel will not work with a 61x or 6m6 stator and vice a versa. use the electrics and pick up a 61x or 62t cdi.
 
wayne

wayne

wannaroll
Location
Mesquite, Texas
yes, you can buy an aftermarket rev limiter. but you have to install it. it is easier to purchase the other cdi or an aftermarket cdi. people have done it or sent theirs off and had it done. you can get used cdi's for a decent price on here.
 
luisdeleon

luisdeleon

Location
vallejo, ca
so in your oponion what would be the best way to go? 1,500 SN running pluse WCF conversion and convert to 62t or 500 or less SN hull and find everything to get a running 62t plus WCF conversion. i'm convinced to do the WCF conversion. I think it comes out close, to build a SN with conversion and all the bell and wistles, than to get a RN and put all the bells and wistles. but the RN will be heavier than the lighter coustum hull that you put together and built with your own two hands.
 
snowxr

snowxr

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Waterford, MI
Buy a runner. At least you have everything you need to build a running ski. Well, except a RN hood, pole, nose, turf, etc.

I'm building a conversion now, and it is making life easier knowing that I can sell off the parts I won't need, to afford the parts I do need. I'm selling my SN pole, hood, nose peice and misc. parts to buy a deck and hood.

-Kurt
 
Mouthfulloflake

Mouthfulloflake

ISJWTA member #2
Location
NW Arkansas
I think there are other differences in the 61x/6m6 versus the 62t than just the rev limit.

I do believe they have hotter cdi charge coils, and more accurate timing pickup configuration.

the 62t flywheel is heavier, and likely the stronger magnets induce more drag.

but I think it is likely MORE accurate.

I read this somewhere on the X recently.

where is Matt_E, master of all knowledge when you need him?
 
oxnard111

oxnard111

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so Cali, Ventura/Oxnard area
Mouthfulloflake said:
I think there are other differences in the 61x/6m6 versus the 62t than just the rev limit.

I do believe they have hotter cdi charge coils, and more accurate timing pickup configuration.

the 62t flywheel is heavier, and likely the stronger magnets induce more drag.

but I think it is likely MORE accurate.

I read this somewhere on the X recently.

where is Matt_E, master of all knowledge when you need him?
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When it comes to the acutal CDI unit itself, they are the same except for the lower rev limit as well as one connector on the 6m6/61x is male and on 62t it is female or vice versa.
 
Matt_E

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Mouthfulloflake said:
I think there are other differences in the 61x/6m6 versus the 62t than just the rev limit.

I do believe they have hotter cdi charge coils, and more accurate timing pickup configuration.

the 62t flywheel is heavier, and likely the stronger magnets induce more drag.

but I think it is likely MORE accurate.

I read this somewhere on the X recently.

where is Matt_E, master of all knowledge when you need him?
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I sensed a great disturbance, as if one million CDI's fired at once and were suddenly silenced. :starwars:

The T flywheel is 2 ounces heavier and has one continuous magnet ring around the inside perimeter (X and 6m6 flywheel has four separate ones).
The magnets on the T flywheel are closer to the center than on the X Cylinder.

I don't know about the T system being more accurate. It's the same old analog CDI, there is no apparent reason why it would be better than the X system.
I am pretty sure the curve is the same, as well. Only difference is rev limit.
The coils on the stator....the lighting coil (charges battery) is the same. The pulser coil is nearly identical.
The charger coil (for CDI) has more windings on the T stator. This is perhaps indicative of a stronger signal to the ignition coil primary.
Not sure - because all year SJ's use the same ignition coil.
 
Mouthfulloflake

Mouthfulloflake

ISJWTA member #2
Location
NW Arkansas
I stand corrected then Matt_E, what ignition was discussed recently that touted being more accurate?

if what you are sayng is true, then I would much rather have the 61x system.
 
Matt_E

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You're probably thinking of the 760 ignition. Cover mounted stator, digital pulse pickup.
It's still a CDI system, but the triggering is digital, making for a more accurate timing.
 
Mouthfulloflake

Mouthfulloflake

ISJWTA member #2
Location
NW Arkansas
yes, I just did a quick search and found 760 ignition as digital and more accurate.

sorry for the confusion!

I recall John from JSS doing a test on the staros, here or on pwcyesterwhenever, and showing a greater output on the 62t stator... or cdi charge coil... I THINK.

relative or not, I dont know.

My 61x systems have PLENTY of juice to fire the plugs... so it probably doesnt matter
 
Matt_E

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I recall John from JSS doing a test on the staros, here or on pwcyesterwhenever, and showing a greater output on the 62t stator... or cdi charge coil... I THINK.
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That's what I said. :clown:
 
W

wydopen

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oxnard111 said:
no... they go for quite a bit more than that if they have a clean title.

All round nose hulls I have sold have been between $900-$1500 depending on the mods done to it.
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that one was 40$ with title..:icon16:
 
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