power vs skill

[sportfish258]

This topic may have been pounded ,but I can't find it in the search to my

satisfaction.... Now to the question . I refound this sport this year and want

to do my first build. I'm looking at some motor options 785 or 5 mm

stroker and may go with a light AM hull as well ( I hate doing things twice) .

Is there a point where to much power hurts a new rider ? Is it better to

baby step to build form ? I do have high hopes for my learning curve .

Thanks just looking for opinions.

 

[steveyz250fpilot]

My opinion is spend the money you want to spend. A lot of people on here will tell you to build up as you learn how to ride. I say, why wait if it's in your budget? I'm not a pro freestyler, I can't do backflips or barrel rolls. Do I really even want to? Eh, it would be neat, but it's not my goal in life. But you know what? I get one heck of an ear to ear grin every time I pull back the throttle on my 5 mil stroker. The thrill factor is 100 times more than that compared to a good 701. I look at it this way.... I'm not a nascar driver, but I would love like hell to get behind the wheel of one of the cars! If I put in a bunch of hours behind the wheel, I am sure I would get used to it and love every minute along the way!!!

This topic may have been pounded ,but I can't find it in the search to my

satisfaction.... Now to the question . I refound this sport this year and want

to do my first build. I'm looking at some motor options 785 or 5 mm

stroker and may go with a light AM hull as well ( I hate doing things twice) .

Is there a point where to much power hurts a new rider ? Is it better to

baby step to build form ? I do have high hopes for my learning curve .

Thanks just looking for opinions.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

You can buy power,there are several purveyors of it here,they will sell you all you can afford ,maybe more,you cannot buy skill at any price,it only comes from experience ,riding and practice,lack of power can somewhat be made up by skill however no amount of power will make up for a lack of skill.$.02


























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[steveyz250fpilot]

You can buy power,there are several purveyors of it here,they will sell you all you can afford ,maybe more,you cannot buy skill at any price,it only comes from experience ,riding and practice,lack of power can somewhat be made up by skill however no amount of power will make up for a lack of skill.$.02

But do you think a lot of power at first will hurt a new rider Terry?

 

[SuperJETT]

I'd do the light hull first with a strong limited engine, then increase the power. You can do rolls/etc on an oem hull with limited engine, so doing it on a light hull is even easier, then going big on the engine is the next step.

 

[DAG]

whats your past experiences... ever ride a stand up before?

do you like working on engines yourself, or do you take them to the shop?


both should be answered to see what is best for you. big power motors take big time maintenance,, you may or may not like

 

[Mike W]

I'd do the light hull first with a strong limited engine, then increase the power. You can do rolls/etc on an oem hull with limited engine, so doing it on a light hull is even easier, then going big on the engine is the next step.

Agreed.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

Yes I believe if you hopped on some ski like Crammits XFT right off the bat you would do a lot more swimming than riding,the power level needs to increase as your skill level does so you are not overwhelmed.I give his ski as an example because it the only ski I have ridden with a ridiculous amount of power,NOT THAT THERES ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT..

 

[Crab]

Yes more power can hurt if you don't have the skill to manage it. With that said, do I need more when I already am happy with a limited setup and broke my leg? No, but do plan to step up to a ported setup similar to Cuongs and Fearless nuts, not because I plan to roll and flip (don't), but merely for the additional addrenaline rush that more power can give you at your finger......One of the best riders I know is NWdayton, and he can do stuff on his little 650 squarenose with only a pipe, that most guy's would just dream about.

 

[Speleopower]

I'm a fairly new rider. I've ridden a couple of high power skis and for me the power was to much at this stage. I can see myself wanting a lot more power in the near future but not right now.

I rode a very high power ski this summer and I only stayed on it for a couple of minutes. Not including the time spent getting back on after I was thrown.

Get a solid motor that runs well so you can ride without worring about the motor. Put it in the light weight hull and trade out the motor later on when you need more power.

Good luck-Scott

 

[sportfish258]

Thanks for the input. I guess Steve asked the real question .... will to much power hurt

a new riders technique . I'm not looking to go pro or anything ,but would like to learn

properly the first time (bad habits are hard to break) .



Steve I need to ride your ski ! I

have a dry suit..... a pack of smokes ......it's dark and I'm wearing sun glasses. I need

to make a decision before I'm forced to do something responsable with my money. Like buying a cowboy some pants for cryin out loud .



I Hate Friggin Dave Ramsey !!

 

[steveyz250fpilot]

seriously...get that gunslinger some duds!

 

[750SX]

I would do the light weight hull and limited. It is amazing how crazy a pretty normal 760/780flat top can feel in a light weight hull.

 

[Gainera2582]

Seriously, a piped 701 with a prop is more than enough for doing rolls if you work on the form. Hell, pros can do it on stock skis, what is stopping you?

Practice makes perfect. Ride more than wrench unless your into that sort of thing!!!!!

 

[SUPERTUNE]

Light hull and a baby scream package (701cc-736cc) will be a great platform to get the skills needed to be really good at freestyle.

 

[Mark44]

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I'd do the light hull first with a strong limited engine, then increase the power. You can do rolls/etc on an oem hull with limited engine, so doing it on a light hull is even easier, then going big on the engine is the next step.

Agreed I see a lot of people out build their riding skills and it hinders their learning curve because they are scared of the boat and can't handle the power.

Mark44

 

[ShowtimeStocks]

if your new to the sport or just starting out begin with a 701 with a b pipe footholds and steering learn the basic tricks then work your way up to a 760 or lightweight hull its no good jumping on a full blown freestyle boat straight out you need to learn the basics first

 

[Frosty]

to me Skill > Power. I'd rather be a great all around rider, then an average rider with a ton of power. just my opinion.

grow your motor as your skills advance... :fing02:

 

[Big Kahuna]

Thanks for the input. I guess Steve asked the real question .... will to much power hurt

a new riders technique . I'm not looking to go pro or anything ,but would like to learn

properly the first time (bad habits are hard to break) .



Steve I need to ride your ski ! I

have a dry suit..... a pack of smokes ......it's dark and I'm wearing sun glasses. I need

to make a decision before I'm forced to do something responsable with my money. Like buying a cowboy some pants for cryin out loud .



I Hate Friggin Dave Ramsey !!

Yes, too much power can hinder your learning curve.

My theory is start out with a strong limited like Darin said. Once you have hit the wall where power is limiting you, then go with porting. At this point you can decide do you want to go with just a good ported package or add Big Bore as well. You rode my ski. It is just a ported 84mm Big Bore package, You saw what I could do with it.

Bottom line, I can do more with my motor setup than I could if I were to hop on to a 5mm stroker or Lamey setup.

Right now, I dont need it.

 

[SuperJETT]

I'd love to have an 8mm stroker powervalve Lamey with EME pipe, total loss and Full Spectrum carbs in a super light hull, but it would be way beyond my skill level and I'd get hurt.

I can't use my 760 to it's full potential, so why go bigger right now other than for bragging rights and showing off to friends?

Chad Cummings had a similar engine setup to me and won the amateur National title with it and was almost doing 2 rolls in a row. He's got the skill...