Open Challenge To Everyone To Help Make Our Waters Safer

[Idok]

example?

 

[T-bone]

well its a nice idea but the people who mostly violate rules dont really care that the are not in compliance. if you see someone running their couch though the no wake zone at 40 mph and say something to them, for the most part they shrug it off and keep on. also its really not my responcibillty to tell other people how to conduct their lives. there are too many rules as it is.................imo i dont think you should be required to wear a helment on a motorcycle and the seatbelt law is something else i wish was gone. these are personal responcibilities. not the man telling me what i need to do to be safe...................we got to let the dumb and weak move to the outer edges of the heard.

 

[Nascency Chris]

well its a nice idea but the people who mostly violate rules dont really care that the are not in compliance. if you see someone running their couch though the no wake zone at 40 mph and say something to them, for the most part they shrug it off and keep on. also its really not my responcibillty to tell other people how to conduct their lives. there are too many rules as it is.................imo i dont think you should be required to wear a helment on a motorcycle and the seatbelt law is something else i wish was gone. these are personal responcibilities. not the man telling me what i need to do to be safe...................we got to let the dumb and weak move to the outer edges of the heard.

naw, i think you are missing one of the points of this...while yes, the idiot flying through the no wake zone clearly will not give two craps about any sort of list, other people would notice. do you not want to seperate yourself from people like this? don't you think it would make a difference if there was ever talk of banning pwc's on the lake you ride?

it behooves us all to put our best foot forward with ideas like this, sometimes not for the safety of others but the preservation of ourselves...dig?

its better to be proactive than reactive...


nice idea yamasaki...keep going...:woot:

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

I agree its a great idea,

But the times I have tried such things, I usually didnt end up making any freinds.
and I understand that is not the point, but invariably the po po wants to bust my balls for something stupid, regardless if I have tried to stop Billy Bob from doing donuts at the ramp or not.

I feel like I ( and all of us) SHOULD do something to help, IM just not sure that would viewed as freindly enough, if not almost arrogant of us to be busting someones chops.

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[Moondance]

Like everybody else's frustrations, I don't know what the answer is to spreading the word on responsible riding. Rules & regulations are great to a certain extent, but who is going to take them seriously when they are not being backed up by an authority figure? I think a real effort should be made in lobbying our gov. officials (omg, I can't believe I just said that) to require licensing/boater courses for all operators, setting age limits, etc. But in addition to that it has to be enforced. And the thing about this it should be consistent with all states. It's not fair for one state to set a pwc limit of 12 or 14 & then have another state set it at 16. Water boating laws are pretty much the same no mater where you go... bouys are bouys, no wake zones are no wake zones & they all mean the same. Unfortunately, I think all states are tapped with their budgets & water safety/regulations are low priorties. And yes, I know some water cops are aholes....but just like us, don't judge all by the bad. They are a necessary evil at times

Dealers should take a proactive approach when selling pwc, but that means dipping into their profits for added costs of safety courses, etc. Then you have skis that are purchased thru individuals, so there goes any chance of safety course.

AWA was mentioned as a source of spreading the word. That is a great idea, but I think that most members of the AWA are already responsible riders. It's kinda like preaching to the choir. But we need to support the AWA because they are our voice. They could be our voice to law makers in making safety repsonsiblity mandatory.

With that said, let's all remember, that no matter how much we try, there are still always going to be idiots who continually do stupid things. That's just people....that will never change. Just like drivers on the road....a license doesn't make you a good driver, just legal to drive:banghead:

This is a good thread for brainstorming, so let's support each other's ideas and see what we can come up with.:beerchug:

 

[The other Alex]

I think its a pretty good idea, you just have to find a way to do it without insulting anyone. I would be all for hanging a few on our bulletin board at the gas dock for everyone to read.

 

[Marshj]

I think its a pretty good idea, you just have to find a way to do it without insulting anyone. I would be all for hanging a few on our bulletin board at the gas dock for everyone to read.

The people that ride without Certificates and Illegally are insulting you, me and everyone else who has spent the time to get the proper training. Who cares about insulting them back. Ill hand an idiot this and say "youre a moron read this, and maybe you will be lucky not to kill someone"

Great idea Saki. If these people are going to be on the water (which they do no matter what), at least theyll have some basic ideas of laws to obey.

 

[Rickster]

the only problem I see with this, and I do think it's a good idea, is that a phamplet will not show someone without common sense or without courtesy to other riders the right path.

The issues we all have at the places that we ride come down to those two issues. Courtesy and common sense.

Regardless of whether you ride a 550 or an RXP, the recreation we have chosen has danger attached to it, and without both common sense or courtesy to others it can be downright lethal.

Unfortunately we live in a society where laws have had to be passed to try and keep people without common sense and courtesy in line. BUT, in most cases people just don't care abut others, and have a total disregard to the laws.

Think about it, if all riders had those two traits, 99% of the PWC laws would not be there. And the problem is that a phamplet with the rules (laws) stated on them will not keep the minority of idiots in check.

If you create it, I will distribute, but really all we need to do is print off the local state codes in regards to PWC's and that include everything that needs to be said.

 

[hangtime]

It's a great idea man .I would be all for just hanging a few flyers in critical spots and handing out a few to peeps who are breaking the rules .

If anyone gets insulted I'll give them a verbal bashing back on why they should care and how PWC'S are banned almost everyday from somewhere.

Great idea man .The list should be short and sweet though and include some of the more NOT obvious rules .

 

[thrllskr]

i dont think you should be required to wear a helment on a motorcycle and the seatbelt law is something else i wish was gone. these are personal responcibilities. not the man telling me what i need to do to be safe...................we got to let the dumb and weak move to the outer edges of the heard.

I just wanted to comment on this, although its kind of OT. Unless you are willing to agree that if you are ever in a car or motorcycle wreck that you DO NOT want rescuers to help, than ok. I understand that you don't like the gov't telling you that you need to wear these things but would you like to be a rescuer on the scene of a bad wreck where nobody had belts or helmets on? I had a friend who is an EMT and works trauma in an ER. He's told me horror stories which I would never want to witness, neither as a victim or a rescuer.

 

[thrllskr]

I wouldn't mind handing some out at my local spot. Hot issues by me:

People tubing without a spotter or using a 2-person ski.
Full throttle through no-wake zones.
Riding without licenses (can't confirm, but pretty sure in a lot of cases)
Genuine lack of courtesy

 

[hangtime]

not to hijack but


not wearing a helmet or seatbelt is just plain stupid and you deserve what you get as result .
Look at Roethlisberger.If he is wearing a helmet he just has bruised knees

 

[LBE]

Rule #1:

Don't be a jackass!!


Did I forget anything?

 

[sflsurfrider]

Rule #1:

Don't be a jackass!!


Did I forget anything?

:arms:

 

[yater]

It would be more effective to hand them out BEFORE singling anyone out. Just be cool and hand them out as people are launching their boats/skis. This way, no one is the target of criticism and everyone benefits...not just the guys you happen to "catch". People will be much more receptive that way.

 

[sflsurfrider]

It would be more effective to hand them out BEFORE singling anyone out. Just be cool and hand them out as people are launching their boats/skis. This way, no one is the target of criticism and everyone benefits...not just the guys you happen to "catch". People will be much more receptive that way.

even though this seems like a good idea *in theory*.....

what happens when they ride like jackasses anyway? its going to happen. then you have to single them out, anyway, and be the "bad guy".

and who is going to want to walk around to every moron and hand out love notes as theyre backing their couches down the ramp? sounds kinda time-consuming and futile to me.. but, then, think of the gas money youll save by walking and not riding.

 

[sclevela]

even though this seems like a good idea *in theory*.....

what happens when they ride like jackasses anyway? its going to happen. then you have to single them out, anyway, and be the "bad guy".

and who is going to want to walk around to every moron and hand out love notes as theyre backing their couches down the ramp? sounds kinda time-consuming and futile to me.. but, then, think of the gas money youll save by walking and not riding.

all bull-poop aside

this maybe a better idea then trying to seperate stand-up riders from sit down riders like u had suggested in another thread...... at least with this idea your getting the couch riders who follow the rules and want to keep their right to ride onboard with your cause as opposed to alienating them to a seperate area.

 

[sflsurfrider]

all bull-poop aside

this maybe a better idea then trying to seperate stand-up riders from sit down riders like u had suggested in another thread...... at least with this idea your getting the couch riders who follow the rules and want to keep their right to ride onboard with your cause as opposed to alienating them to a seperate area.

like i said, its a great idea *in theory*. if itd work, im all for it.

however, in my other thread, im not talking about "alienating" all couches from standups worldwide. im talking about ONE small jetski lake (the park actually calls it the "jetski lake") that us local riders ride at that is kinda small for 70+ MPH skis to be riding at doing 180's right next to us standuppers.




what edwin is talking about is more general. it applies to everybody everywhere.

im talking about bordering off a small lake so nobody gets hurt.

 

[WaveDemon]

I've got a broken steering cable I could show people who like to have splash wars with swimmers.

 

[sclevela]

like i said, its a great idea *in theory*. if itd work, im all for it.

however, in my other thread, im not talking about "alienating" all couches from standups worldwide. im talking about ONE small jetski lake (the park actually calls it the "jetski lake") that us local riders ride at that is kinda small for 70+ MPH skis to be riding at doing 180's right next to us standuppers.




what edwin is talking about is more general. it applies to everybody everywhere.

im talking about bordering off a small lake so nobody gets hurt.

why not set a speed limit on said lake?