MS109 Goodness
- Thread starter Matt_E
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Don 79 TA
Still Fat....
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- Madision/Huntsville AL
is this MS109 clear color?
I bought some fuel in Havasu listed as Sunnoco 110 which is purple, but came out of the pump clear, so i suspected two things
MS109 or GTII 100 octane, i have my fingers crossed its MS109, so i ran it in her ski
it was .749/gal
supposedly MS109 is made for higher compression compared to the 110 purple sunnoco i get, thought that was interesting
I bought some fuel in Havasu listed as Sunnoco 110 which is purple, but came out of the pump clear, so i suspected two things
MS109 or GTII 100 octane, i have my fingers crossed its MS109, so i ran it in her ski
it was .749/gal
supposedly MS109 is made for higher compression compared to the 110 purple sunnoco i get, thought that was interesting
masterblaster
X-H2
Ive run the sunoco 110 in my stroker and 50/50 with 93 oct and straight 93oct,I cant really feel a diff with any of these,running 200 comp and 30 deg of timing,I can get away with running 93 oct in the surf and its cheap.Race fuels burn slower than 93oct pump but allow for more comp and timing with out det,I dont get how anyone is feeling more power with a slower burning safer race fuel if the motor is setup on the borderline to get away with running pump?
SUPERTUNE
Race Gas Rules
- Location
- Clearwater Fl.
The thread is about VP MS109 fuel, Not 110 SUNOCO fuel.
The major difference is the 109 is not like your 110. The 109 is oxygenated. This makes more power and does burn faster than the 110.
Cannibal
Tasty Human
- Location
- Summit Lake, WA
This struck me as odd because my understanding of octane made me question why there would be such different burn rates for similarly rated fuels. After a little research, as it turns out, Sunoco 110 has an AKI of 110 (115 RON, 105 MON), where as, MS109 has an AKI of 105 (109 RON, 101 MON). So yes, I see why there is a different burn rate now.
Comparing MS109 (105 octane) vs 100LL (from what I can find 103.2 RON, 100.5 MON, basically 102 AKI), you'd get an increase in AKI with MS109 and the benefits of oxygenation. So you might be able to squeeze out a little more compression and/or timing with it.
I have access to 99.99% pure methanol. It contains about 50% oxygen and an AKI of 119 (133 RON, 105 MON). I've been very tempted to add it to my fuel, but the loss of BTU's is what has held me back (plus concern with oil mix compatibility). Basically, methanol is half the BTU rating than pure gasoline (125,000/gal for gas, 64,600/gal for methanol). Maybe I'll mix up a gallon of 89 with 10% methanol and see how it performs (I just switched over to Amsoil Interceptor at 50:1, should be fine). That will give me just a bit over 92 AKI and about 118,393 btus/gal.
Does anyone else really think about this stuff? A lot of times I get bored at work and sit down with a pen and calculator and figure up mix ratios and levels of BTU and octane. Guess I'm just a nerd at heart.
*EDIT* And for anyone who wonders what methanol and MTBE have to do with each other, MTBE is processed using methanol and isobutylene.
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SUPERTUNE
Race Gas Rules
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- Clearwater Fl.
I'm not sure exactly what AKI stands for, as fuel is labeled (R + M) /2 = http://image.motortrend.com/f/8495854+w750/112_0606_sfhof_03z+high_octane_fuel+octane_sticker.jpg
This stands for Research octane + Motor octane = advertised octane.
Your numbers are right, just the labels/abbreviations are not correct.
This stands for Research octane + Motor octane = advertised octane.
Your numbers are right, just the labels/abbreviations are not correct.
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Cannibal
Tasty Human
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- Summit Lake, WA
AKI is the Anti-Knock Index, which is (R +M)/2, also called other names in different areas, advertised octane, pump octane, road octane. Just another abbreviation to add to the list. :biggrin:
masterblaster
X-H2
I dont have alot of experience with oxygenated fuels,can you give me a apox % how much more power a fuel like this is capable of making with a motor setup on the edge of pump fuel use. I know it has a lower mon rating than sunoco110,so it must make more btu as well? too bad its so expensive,not very friendly stuff if you like to ride much imho
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Cannibal
Tasty Human
- Location
- Summit Lake, WA
Those same people will also use Chinese tires on there Porsche. Some people just want that thousands of dollars penis extension. It doesn't need to work perfect. They get more enjoyment out of other people's envy over them.
Dustin Mustangs
uʍop ǝpıs dn
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- Holland, MI
How do you find out if/where this stuff is available in your area?
masterblaster
X-H2
Generally speaking the higher the mon the higher the octane the lower the btu,more specifically the types of fuel mixed to create the octane reflect btu. What I was getting at is ive never seen #s indicating more than 5% horsepower for oxy fuels,just seems like alot more to pay for min gains,Im not much on av gas,but mixing 110 and 93 allows for a ton of comp and advance for min $
You can get oxy additives like Klotz Coxoc to use in most any good fuel,but again the cost for these low percentage hp gains dont make sense to me for our kind of riding. These costs make more sense in a drag race situation where your looking to pick up a couple hundredths of a sec.
You can get oxy additives like Klotz Coxoc to use in most any good fuel,but again the cost for these low percentage hp gains dont make sense to me for our kind of riding. These costs make more sense in a drag race situation where your looking to pick up a couple hundredths of a sec.
chriselmore_1
high on resin
- Location
- san jose ca
wow that link does absolutely no good! doesnt tell you where a local vp station is. gives you numbers for distributers that dont know anything. called vp west and they said they dont know anything and gave me the number for my local distrubiter, van de pol enterprises. i called and they transferred me to about 4 diff people who knew nothing and said "i dont know why they would transfer you to me?"