Thanks for all the feed back from everyone! I've had a hooker 10/16 in a kawi based hull and to be honest I was never amazed with the hook up and performance from the impeller, but that pump was less than perfect and I'm sure it could have used some pump tuning as well. This sj I have really needs a new impeller and the ski will be used for light freestyle until a AM hull uses the drive train from this ski later down the road so the goal is to get that ultimate bottom end snap. For now the ski is mostly stock and getting a b pipe along with the new impeller and pump work this winter. I've been leaning towards the hooker anyways, but with the cost difference I had to hear some opinions of the solas before making the purchase.
Impros Hooker 9/15 vs Solas 13/17
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Big Kahuna
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I would get a skat freeride swirl, think 12/17, over the Solas. Do a search for my review. 2009 or so, maybe 2008
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Look how long this debate has been going on! LOL.
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Big Kahuna
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"Was talking to Dave at IMPROS a few weeks ago about his Hooker, we discussed different sizes and decided on a 10/16 for my setup. (84mm LPW with Team Scream prep'd 44's, BPipe, MSD, etc).
Prop showed up a few weeks ago, just got around to putting it in thursday night. Took out my SKAT Swirl (Freeride) 13-17 -? cutback. Well, had some carberation issues and ended up swapping to a set of 46 Novi's. So, part of my compairison is a bit skewed. May swap carbs back and see the true difference.
The ride. I am not going to say that there is a night and day difference. I will say this, this prop looks like you took a skat C75 and it had sex with a Solas concorde/dynafly and their offspring was named the Hooker. It did not have the lag that many have noticed with the SOLAS prop. The hookup off idle is very good and instant, must like the SKAT. It pulled well from bottom to top. I would say it gave me a little more top end than the skat. The skat would run out really quick on top. The biggest change I noticed was while doing rolls. I do not land on the plate but usually to the side, some my forward momentum would be enough that I did not lag any and keep moving, while others puts you in the water and you have to get going again. With the hooker, as soon as I hit the water and hit the gas it pulled immediately. No draging in the water or anything. Heck, I had to hold on to it. Doing some 1/4 hops (hop and turn to the left, land, hop and turn back right and only doing this by hitting the throttle) the ski kept leaping out of the water with no effort. This is only my 2nd time out so, still having to get back into the swing of things.
Overall, I will say this prop is well worth it if your running any prop other than a skat freeride. You would be seeing a huge improvement. If you do have a Skat Freeride now. It is a judgement call. If you have everything else done then go for it. I could be happy with my Skat or the IMPROS. Both are great props. If I had to pick. I would go with the Hooker."
This the nuts of my review of the Hooker.
Prop showed up a few weeks ago, just got around to putting it in thursday night. Took out my SKAT Swirl (Freeride) 13-17 -? cutback. Well, had some carberation issues and ended up swapping to a set of 46 Novi's. So, part of my compairison is a bit skewed. May swap carbs back and see the true difference.
The ride. I am not going to say that there is a night and day difference. I will say this, this prop looks like you took a skat C75 and it had sex with a Solas concorde/dynafly and their offspring was named the Hooker. It did not have the lag that many have noticed with the SOLAS prop. The hookup off idle is very good and instant, must like the SKAT. It pulled well from bottom to top. I would say it gave me a little more top end than the skat. The skat would run out really quick on top. The biggest change I noticed was while doing rolls. I do not land on the plate but usually to the side, some my forward momentum would be enough that I did not lag any and keep moving, while others puts you in the water and you have to get going again. With the hooker, as soon as I hit the water and hit the gas it pulled immediately. No draging in the water or anything. Heck, I had to hold on to it. Doing some 1/4 hops (hop and turn to the left, land, hop and turn back right and only doing this by hitting the throttle) the ski kept leaping out of the water with no effort. This is only my 2nd time out so, still having to get back into the swing of things.
Overall, I will say this prop is well worth it if your running any prop other than a skat freeride. You would be seeing a huge improvement. If you do have a Skat Freeride now. It is a judgement call. If you have everything else done then go for it. I could be happy with my Skat or the IMPROS. Both are great props. If I had to pick. I would go with the Hooker."
This the nuts of my review of the Hooker.
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So it seems like the skat swirl freeride and the Hooker are pretty similar in hookup and not much of a noticeable difference between both. Here's what Impros had to say:
"Our Hooker comes in a 9/15, 10/16 and 11/17 pitch. Like the Swirl, it is a large hub radial edge design. This style impeller has proven to be the best at maximizing hook up and with the right pitch for the application, produce the best bottom end available without buying a Magnum pump. The Hooker has a steeper root angle than a swirl, but we changed the blade length, and were able to go to a much lower pitch than the Skat to get more bottom end, without spinning it and breaking loose. Our pitch ranges also cover a lot more of the common applications our customers use. I would never suggest a 12/17 C-75 Swirl to a rider with a lightly modified SuperJet, but I can guarantee he'll love the 9/15 Hooker on there.
This design works excellent in smooth water and even better in surf conditions. There is no merit to what you are saying as if it is too steep for the motor? A more agressive design Skat with a taller pitch is going to be harder on the engine than the Hooker design. If you can't pull a 9/15, then you're certainly overpropped with a 13/16. By the way, the 13/16 (which is not even a standard pitch from them) loads more like our 10/16 pitch.
Just wanted to try to clear the air on the differences. We sell a lot of Hooker impellers to people that like us, have tried them all in many variations and give us incredibly positive feedback. We also sell a ton of Skats, and recommend certain pitch Skats for certain applications that will benefit best from that impeller. I like the Solas Concord as well in certain skis and have modified the pitch and set them back for years."
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"Our Hooker comes in a 9/15, 10/16 and 11/17 pitch. Like the Swirl, it is a large hub radial edge design. This style impeller has proven to be the best at maximizing hook up and with the right pitch for the application, produce the best bottom end available without buying a Magnum pump. The Hooker has a steeper root angle than a swirl, but we changed the blade length, and were able to go to a much lower pitch than the Skat to get more bottom end, without spinning it and breaking loose. Our pitch ranges also cover a lot more of the common applications our customers use. I would never suggest a 12/17 C-75 Swirl to a rider with a lightly modified SuperJet, but I can guarantee he'll love the 9/15 Hooker on there.
This design works excellent in smooth water and even better in surf conditions. There is no merit to what you are saying as if it is too steep for the motor? A more agressive design Skat with a taller pitch is going to be harder on the engine than the Hooker design. If you can't pull a 9/15, then you're certainly overpropped with a 13/16. By the way, the 13/16 (which is not even a standard pitch from them) loads more like our 10/16 pitch.
Just wanted to try to clear the air on the differences. We sell a lot of Hooker impellers to people that like us, have tried them all in many variations and give us incredibly positive feedback. We also sell a ton of Skats, and recommend certain pitch Skats for certain applications that will benefit best from that impeller. I like the Solas Concord as well in certain skis and have modified the pitch and set them back for years."
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Quinc
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I sent my solas concord 14/17 to Dave and asked him to pitch it the same as the hooker 9/15. It came back as a 13/15 and has awesome bottom end with no lag. Other then blueprinting the pump is it is stock dia and stock cone.
What engine/pipe specs?
Quinc
Buy a Superjet
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- California
Everything from 61x, single 46, 701cc, ported high comp, coffman pipe. To 754cc mod pipe, higher compression, dual carb, msd enhancer. The impeller has been awesome.
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- Michigan
Been chatting with Dave @ Impros today and he defiantly recommends going Hooker over 13/16 cutback. Plus the cost to repitch and cutback is $120 so I'd be better off spending a hundred more and buying the Hooker to begin with. He said the Solas and Skat free ride are both small hub so you can only setback -3 whereas Hooker is -6. Skat Trak has a big hub magnum swirl but they don't make a 9/15 without paying extra to cutback.
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Yep I have heard those exact words from him before, via someone else taking that advise, and then I rode the ski and I was like WTH!? It was NOT anything like my 13/16 cutback....
Big Kahuna
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Dave can only make a suggestion. There are other factors. Pipe tuning of that persons ski could be off, jetting, timing........... too many varibles. When I got my 10/16 everybody with DASA PV motors making much more power were buying 9/15's. I questioned him on it, he said, go with the 10/16, 9/15 would be a bit small. He was spot on..........
This dude has a 8/15!
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How would you have known if 9/15 would've been better? Have you tried a 9/15?
I think at the end it comes down to trial and error when we talk about slight pitch variance such as 9/15 or 10/16. You're right though about it just being a suggestion. So many factors come into play. I just wish there was a formula that would take all mods used as input to calculate best prop and pitch for a given setup. Or at least in ball park range to point you in the right direction.
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