GP 800 Mod

Whale

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Location
New Zealand
Well im wanting to Go Bigger:Banane09: in the engine department.

Im running the standard 701 bored to 720 with a few mods (b-pipe, power bomb,vforce reeds,flywheel,MSD ignition,ADA head 35cc)

Ive been looking at the waterdawg kustoms mod and parts
Just have a few questions

Do I have to mod the engine compartment in any way (engine mounts)?
Is it worth it compared to other options out there? Lamy/Stroker
What other options are out there?
Where do i get a Yamaha GP 800 66E engine and electrics?
Do i have to run a bigger pump and will i have to mod to fit the pump Shoe?
Do i have to Mod 155 Drive Shaft?

I will be adding it to a carbon ski!

Any help will be much appreacited
 

timoNZ

less work more surf
Hey Chris,

Motor mounts from WDK bolt in to your existing ones and fit to the 66E. No hull mods required. Pipe is a hassel though, if you run a WDK pipe you have to run a cart tank ( which is way to small for anything other than frestyle.) I have been working on a manifold for a B pipe as has wave demon. I haven't had much luck finding a motor in NZ, Trademe member titty1 has a rebuilt one for 3.5K!!!!!!!!!! My latest mission is a Jap supplier.

Keep In touch Tim 021 465 005 Also can get my hands on that stroker if your keen way less mods to get the thing in the boat.

Cheers

Tim
 
Your current 720, will really wake up when you put it in a light weight hull! What hull is it going in?

The thing that really sucks about the 66e is how heavy it is. About 25lbs more weight. Now all the weight you just took off with the hull is added back to the boat, and it still wont leave the water much harder do to the added weight..... And on top of that you will need to run a Mag pump, and that is another 10lbs or so heavier.

So at 35lbs heavier, i realy dont think you would like the setup much. With the 720, the boat will be much more flickable, and body english when in the air will play a much bigger afect on what the boat does.

Is your current motor ported? That would be the first thing that I would do. Send the cases and cylinder to a reputable source like x-scream, or JSU. That will bring on some power like you wouldnt believe.

If you wanted anything more then that, I would say total loss would be your next best bang for the buck.

For the pump I would recomend a 12/17 C 75 big hub prop, and the TBM pump come kit. I have had alot of sucsess with it on my ski. (44's, full porting, V-force, MSD enhancer, b-pipe 275lb ski.. pretty light)

BTW the motor mounts wont line up for the 66e you will need to modify.... DONT DO IT!
 

global warmer

big time gas pumper
Location
on the beach
opinions are like $%&holes=every one has one!here's mine,have not done the jet but have recently put a new 66e motor in a b1,previously had a modified gp760 64x +b pipe etc,first off the weight,o.k i am running a stock pipe at present but let me tell you 25lb's no way!keep going!!on the b1 it's not such an issue but on a f/style jet i would'nt,second there is sweet f/a available for the 66e compared to 61x/62t etc,do a search you will see!third'the 66e does not like to be tuned,it's not as strong as the 61x/62t!ask any decent motor builder,o.k my blaster ripp's but it is virtualy stock=reliable big hp-you wont have that option,and last if it were that great dont you think yamaha would have done it?good luck'hindsight is a wonderfull thing!!!!
 

Whale

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Location
New Zealand
Your current 720, will really wake up when you put it in a light weight hull! What hull is it going in?

The thing that really sucks about the 66e is how heavy it is. About 25lbs more weight. Now all the weight you just took off with the hull is added back to the boat, and it still wont leave the water much harder do to the added weight..... And on top of that you will need to run a Mag pump, and that is another 10lbs or so heavier.

So at 35lbs heavier, i realy dont think you would like the setup much. With the 720, the boat will be much more flickable, and body english when in the air will play a much bigger afect on what the boat does.

Is your current motor ported? That would be the first thing that I would do. Send the cases and cylinder to a reputable source like x-scream, or JSU. That will bring on some power like you wouldnt believe.

If you wanted anything more then that, I would say total loss would be your next best bang for the buck.

For the pump I would recomend a 12/17 C 75 big hub prop, and the TBM pump come kit. I have had alot of sucsess with it on my ski. (44's, full porting, V-force, MSD enhancer, b-pipe 275lb ski.. pretty light)

BTW the motor mounts wont line up for the 66e you will need to modify.... DONT DO IT!

Itll be going in my hull which im about to start building !

holy crap 35lbs heavier!!
Yerp i did the port job myself, the first sport port template. My first time porting.:ugh2:
What can you run in ameture class?? is it 810cc or somthing, can you run total loss, lightweight hulls, wahat are the restrictions??
Thos team scream engines look like a good option.
 

Lakeman

Stand Up All The Way
Location
Wichita, KS
QUOTE=Whale;559861]Well im wanting to Go Bigger:Banane09: in the engine department.


Where do I get a Yamaha GP 800 66E engine and electrics?
Do I have to run a bigger pump and will I have to mod to fit the pump Shoe?
Do I have to Mod 155 Drive Shaft?

Let me answer these questions:
I have bought parts for 3 GP800 motor off of eBay. It takes time to do, but it can be done. You never know when parts come up on eBay, so you have to be looking for them all the time. All the parts you need come up for sale at different times. You can of course just buy a complete motor. Some of it you won't need. Here is what you need to be looking for: engine cases with the rear feet attached and all the bolts to bolt it together. You have to ask if the feet come with it and if you can have all the bolts. You need a good used crank. You need a front cover with stator. You need the electrical box and the goodies. If you go with MSD, all you need is the front cover. You need a starter bendix, and starter. You need to determine what cylinder you want to use. GP800 or GP1200, GP1300. Buy two bad ones that need to be re-bored. Once you have your cylinders you will need a set of pistons (rings, bearing, pin). You can choose about any size piston out there. Allot of people have chosen to go with
87mm. This will give you a 927 cc motor. Once you have your cylinders and pistons, you need to send them off to get bored and replated. Cost about $460.00. I know I just did it. Then you need a head. You can find used Riva head from time to time on eBay. WDK sells a head for $300 non girdled. I recommend this option. You need a set of gas power vales - $320. You will need to buy seals and gaskets for lower end. You can pick up a set of reeds cages off eBay. I recommend buying new reeds. You never know how used they really are. You need a flywheel. Now you have the parts to build a motor. Now you will need carbs, intake manifold, exhaust system and the WDK mounting bracket. Go to Jeff's web site and price the intake, exhaust manifold with pipe = 1500.00 (new dry pipe), and your mounting hard ware. Buy a set of big carbs 46 or 48 or 49 mm.

Some of us are using 144 or 148 mag pumps. I recommend using the OEM 144 size pump to save money. You just have to use a taller prop if you go with a 927 built motor. This way no new pump shoe is involved.

If you buy a used complete motor, you would probably want to buy a new head to bump the compression. You can't use the power valves very easily. Stock bore is OK, but the motor really wakes up with 84 - 87mm pistons.

No you will not have to mod a 155 drive shaft. All you need is RN drive shaft to use in a 155 pump. The shaft is the same, but the lengths are different. So for any Yam pump, all you need is a SJ drive shaft.

I built two motor this way so if you need more info just PM me and I will be glad to help.

They are really fun to ride and very reliable once you get it dialed in. They can be expensive to build if you rush into it. I built my 927 with MSD for around 6K. That includes all the stuff from Jeff with out the mounting bracket since I put it in his REV hull. I did it over time and paid for parts and it didn't seem that bad. Only once I put a pin to it did I say holly crap.

Dale
 
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