finishing touches - suggestions?

[tom21]

Hey guys- second time riding an x-2 yesterday. I picked one up after seeing D-slicker and Pete just tear it up at Daytona last year. So I just got it up and running yesteday and took it to the water. its got a 750- the small pin I think ( has the two extra intake holes) single carb keihin out of an ss or something. 650 electronics and exhaust. stock steering and pump.

basically I love it, but the steering seems like it doesn't work as well as it should for the throw it has. cable is good and the nozzle turns to where it is partially being blocked by the hull, so why does it not just throw me off? its seems that body english is just as effective as the steering is. is this normal? or is this why you guys chop the back? a little help here.

also it runs great but just doesn't have the jump out of the water that even my stock 650sx had. what pitch works in these? for a 750 I expected it would pull a little harder.

other than that it was a blast, can't wait to hear what to do to fix these minor things so I can really get the most out of it.

 

[shawn_NJ]

After riding my tubbied/shortened 93 hull, I feel the same way when I ride my stock hull 89. Cutting the back helps alot, but tubbie 2's are the real fix.

The 9/17 on my small pin x2 jumps out of the water. I did replace the keihin 38 with a SBN 46. That seemed to help astronomically.

 

[tom21]

mmmmm not sure about that, it just seems like going straight that if you turn it hard it doesn't steer the ski as much as if it was a Sj or sx. the nozzle travels a great deal but it doesn't translate to the water the same way. for instance there is no way in hell I could sidemount, can you?

 

[shawn_NJ]

All joking aside, I can barely ride a stock x2 anymore, I am so used to the mod hull. What steering and turnplate are you using? Is it direct or a cage hull? I have a umi and quicksteer on my mod hull....It turns like butter, incredible. The stock 89 hull I have has direct and you have to LEAN LEAN LEAN to get it to cut hard.

 

[Vumad]

My ski is lacking power too. Has the power but isn't getting to to the water. It's either the pump seal or the prop, I am told.

Anyway, my X2 is a stock '87 hull with a deep westcoast intake grate, Jet Dynamics ride plate (identical to the one I am selling, have 2), stock nozzle with Accusteer sterring. That is just the way it handles. Even at slower speeds, it carves HARD. I lean 45 degrees or more any time I am making any kind of sharp turn. It does not handle at all like a super jet. No sliding the back end arround. Lean hard and power through the turn.

 

[tom21]

it has the stock steering but what has that got to do with the nozzle? if it turned anymore it would be shooting into the hull. how does the steering at the bars change the nozzle degree of turn? it can change the ratio but not the distance it throws. or am I missing something? #0 was suggesting a scoop intake grate to help a little.

maybe the stock/wrong prop is all it is and if it was hooked up better it may make the steering more responsive?

 

[shawn_NJ]

it has the stock steering but what has that got to do with the nozzle? if it turned anymore it would be shooting into the hull. how does the steering at the bars change the nozzle degree of turn? it can change the ratio but not the distance it throws. or am I missing something? #0 was suggesting a scoop intake grate to help a little.

maybe the stock/wrong prop is all it is and if it was hooked up better it may make the steering more responsive?

I was just curious what setup you were running, your right it only changes the ratio not the throw distance. I have a worx scoop grate on my 750 x2 and a jet dynamics on my 780, I did not notice any real handling difference other than it stays hooked up better and feels slightly more nose heavy when I installed them.

 

[Vumad]

You were riding at lake seminole. A scoop schouldn't been needed on that kind of water, no?

 

[tom21]

its my understanding that a scoop helps grab the water and direct the flow at the impeller. which should help keep the pump loaded and do it faster. and is the best for surf. it works but just doesn't have the neckbreaking accleration I expected. its marginally better than a 650. what pitch is stock anyone know?

 

[WaveDemon]

tom, maybe something is broken in the steering setup. get someone to hold the nozzle straight while you turn the bars. maybe the jet of water is keeping the nozzle straight under load.

 

[tom21]

its good, you can ride it and tell me. when are we going? this weekend?

 

[Vumad]

I'm working saturday. I was planning on going to Croom on Sunday. You guys free thursday?

Just got done working on my trailer. It's purdy like new. Going to pull my pump tomorrow. I'm going to try to get it out to the lake in the afternoon, that is, if I don't have to put any silicone or anything that has to dry in there.

 

[sflsurfrider]

I'm working saturday. I was planning on going to Croom on Sunday. You guys free thursday?

Just got done working on my trailer. It's purdy like new. Going to pull my pump tomorrow. I'm going to try to get it out to the lake in the afternoon, that is, if I don't have to put any silicone or anything that has to dry in there.

if you pull a 650 pump, you have to re-silicone it and let it dry.

 

[Vumad]

Booo... wont be riding tomorrow then. Anyone have the information on how to properly do the job? Should be pretty simple... but I've never done it, and I'm not positive I know what to silicone. I certainly want to see what prop is on there. Stock is for pansies, that's why Tom's ski is stock, I heard.

 

[#ZERO]

Tom... I'd put a lower pitch impeller to increase the bottom end power and D-cut the ride plate to make the ass end sit lower in the water.

Also don't forget to put a Pro-Tec decal were that champagne cork is sticking threw the side of the hull.

 

[w-nut]

wot pitch prop are you running at the moment tom , ive run 15 ,15.5 in a 650 pump and they have nice bite and bottom end pull . i think im useing a 13/18 sxr prop at the moment and that was good down low as well with a standard small pin 750.
another quick thought, where did you set your timeing to with the 650 elecs ive set mine up on the line and advanced round 5mm and that worked well for me
oh yeah congrats on getting it going and out on the water joining the x2 family:djsmilie:

 

[madscientist]

hull mod for clearance

1 = before

2 & 3 = after

also removes the air bubble from the hull around the pump for a little more droop

see ya in daytona?:cool2:

 

[tom21]

Vumad - its easy bro - silicone fills the gap between the pump and the hull, when you tear it out you will see. unless somebody didn't do it last time? sucks getting our hand in there but[EVIL]"you can do iiiiiiiit!"[/EVIL]

#0- Pro Tec stickers on backorder. its a hot go fast goodie

W-nut stock timing, pretty sure its a stock prop, I have a 15/20 solas if thats any better. was trying to look and see what others are running, seems its like my sj- 12/17. anyone know stock pitch?

madscientist- good idea- was actually thinking of taking off the last two inches all across the back. better? don't think Daytona is in the cards for the x-2 this year, not that comfortable to ride it in big surf. maybe as a backup but again its not legal. decisions, decisions.

 

[Vumad]

Someone will have to let me have to sleep on the floor in their hotel room, feed me table scraps, let me bum a ride and I'll being my X2.

 

[madscientist]

what do you mean its not legal?

i rode it w/ just the d cut then did the q-steer and trim mod, before the hull mod and after are night and day. the a$$ end dropped down considerably after the mod. i may not cut the rest back until i have tubbies or crabbies on the x