electrical or benix? and dead batteries...

[DAG]

idk what i did, but i had 2 fresh batteries.. and i build up my ski last night started it in the driveway and it fires up... drop in in the water around 9pm take a 60sec run allong the shore pull it back out.. star it agen to clear the water out, sit over night.. got off work today, run down and check the ski starts within a few trys.. drop it in the water and all i can hear is something spinning maby starter but nothing is catching and turning the moror.. i flip the builges on and they seem to be spinning slow.. so i assumed i had a dead battery.. i go get another, plug it in, flip the builgesand they spin full out for 5 seconds and die.. turn them off and try to start the ski and alli can here is somehting spinning(somewhat high pich) the motor is deff not turning....

i'm 99.99999989999% shure i have 2 fresh batteries.

maby my benix is stuck?
maby my starter went out?
maby i hooked my starter up wrong???<<<
maby starter is bad?
dead battery's... maby...

or something ealts...idk, please help i only have till sunday nbight to ride and i'm back at school till thanksgiving and i havent rode my ski in 3moinths... just got my LPW "003" 760 and wanna break this thing in and ride!!!!!!

i'm goign ot check the batteries now
what's next?

 

[njfl]

Try jumpering your bilges directly to the battery terminals. If they spin freely and normally then start looking for bad connections in all of your cabling, likely ground, but check both.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

dirty connections, dead battery, solenoid toast, starter locked up, switch dirty

jumper the start/stop switch, red and brown wires coming from e-box to pole, unplug them and short them together ( stick needle nose pliars in there)

go straight to your starter with jumper cables from your car battery.

if that works, look at your skis, battery, solenoid, switch, cables.

 

[DAG]

there are 2 bolts on the back of the starter.. i did not know wich one to used i picked the top bolt. is this correct...?


i had a fresh battery last night. i know i did not leave the bliges on or anyhting.. is it possable to wire something backwards so that the ski still turns over, but even when the ski is off (kill switch ziped tied up), can it drain a battery?

 

[WAB]

forget about the pumps for now. How fast is the starter spinning when you hit the button? Or is it just a click?
Should be spinning the starter very fast, like it should under no load with out the bendix engaging.

 

[DAG]

its more than a click, but its not spinning superfast like it normaly does...
kinda sounds like a little modle airplain motor spinning (high pich somewhat fast)
its hard to describe w/o a video or something... and my cam is broke..

 

[WAB]

If it's spinning fast but not 'superfast' it could just be the bendix. The bendix engages at prettly low rpm's of the starter motor. It's not the relay or connections it does not sound like to me.
put a battery charger on it for a few minutes and see if it spins faster?
If you did not use a good gasket or get it lined up well for the flywheel cover, you may have gotten moisture in there that is causing the bendix to stick after sitting overnight. :shrug:

 

[DAG]

i reused my rubber flywheel gasket... where can i get a new one at? and how much do those run... i'm below broke...

i'm going to charge both batteries over night and try that...
is it likely the battery has high volts and no/low cranking amps?

 

[hangtime]

It's real important to make sure your flywheel cover is sealed nice and the only way to make sure is with a new gasket and clean both surfaces real good .You could destroy your stator and then you'll be below broke :biggthumpup:
Sounds like a bendix issue to me based on what your saying

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

is the starter spinning and not engaging the bendix?

I cant tell from what you are describing.

the one bolt on the starter that is perpendicular to the 2 mounting bolts is the postive connection for the starter.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

Ive had mine stick a time or 2 also ( bendix)

remove the flywheel cover.
lay a rag under the front of the engine.
spray the SHIAT out of the bendix with brake cleaner or carb cleaner.
work the mechanism back and forth by hand several times.
grease where it slides back and forth, and dribble some oil on the rest of it, not TOO much.

try it again.

I had to do that 2 years ago as a temporary fix, and its still going strong.

i only use yamabond on my flywheel covers, never had a problem with that.

 

[Big Kahuna]

sounds like the ground at the starter is loose or one of your battery leads is not tightened properly.

 

[DAG]

hope its not the stater, paul put together my case...

deff gonna pull the flywheel cover , and take a look inside allong with a freshly charged battery from teh rape store "west marina".


if a new battery doesent do it and the bendix is not stuck.. is it easy or even possable to pull the flywheel cover and get to the stator with the engin is the ski...

 

[accbr]

Sounds like the bendix isn't engaging the flywheel. Happened to me once. You can take the flywheel cover off and see the bendix with the motor in there. Hit the start button real quick while watching the bendix to see if it's coming out any. If you want to pull the starter it's easier to do without the exhaust on there. Not sure what pipe you're running. If you want to take the flywheel off, then it's best to pull the tank out. Pull the battery tray first. Kinda hard(impossible??) to get a puller on the flywheel with the tank in. Only takes about 20 minutes to pull the battery tray, tank, and flywheel cover.

 

[CoreyLKN]

maybe its those 2 wires you mentioned in the other thread.:boggled:

 

[Big Kahuna]

Have you checked your battery connections and ground wires yet........... If you are not getting the correct voltage to the starter, it will spin, but not fast enough to kick the bendix out......... before you go start pulling parts off, check the simple things first.............. Troubleshooting..........

1. Battery.
2. Postive Connections.
3. Ground Connections Battery and at Starter.
4. Starter relay
5. Starter itself.
6. Bendix (after items 1-5 have been checked and determined to all be at 100%).

 

[Chester]

From your first post, I think you have a bad battery cable and/or starter cable.

Chester

 

[DAG]

the connections to the battery terminals are solid

1.) new battery 2marrow at 10:30am
2.) postive connections: this sits on the curved servace of the starter near the center correct? should i be able to budge it at all?
3.) Ground Connection Starter: is this the top bolt on the back side or the bottom bolt.. or does it matter?

the rest i know how to check... unforently

 

[Big Kahuna]

you could have a bad wire............... you have to check everything.
twist the wires, wiggle back and forth, feel for breaks.

 

[Talsivar]

sounds like the bendix is stuck and not popping out to engage.it could be low voltage too but i would pull the flywheel cover off thats easy enough to do without taking anything else apart. you should be able to spin the bendix by hand and see if it extends.