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jetskier79 said:
Dude, wheres that Vid ? Cant Wait... :Banane01:
Double Barrel Roll Challenge !
- Thread starter Ross_C
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Dude, wheres that Vid ? Cant Wait... :Banane01:
- Location
- Del Mar, CA
This weekend....
OK...I'm going to start this by saying that we are really close. And I do mean we, because there is no way that I would be doing this with out you guys. All you guys here have really pushed me to try, and I'm getting close.
Saturday I went out about 90% confident that I would do it...but having never really had a good look at the double, I just could not get my head around it. Plus the camera that Derek (waveblaster069) brought decided it did not want to work, today was just going to be practice:wink:. I headed out with the intention of doing tons of really small rolls to figure out how to rotate as fast as possible...and just get a feel for that first. Then use the advice that Pete and Joe Kenney had given me to try it...Pete and I talked about technique a bit, but we have diffenet styles to our rolls. Basically, Pete does a little S to get the momentum started for the roll and I don't. But he did tell me to start thinking about initiating the rotation a little earlier comming off the top of the wave and what helped the most was his advice to hit the wave later than you would for a normal roll. And Joe basically said to do a roll like you would off a 6inch wave, just do it off a 6 foot wave. Ok...easy enough right. :biggrin:
While both those gems of advice seem pretty obvious, it did help me a lot talk about it a little more...still trying to get my head around it, and "see it" if that makes sense.
That morning I did tons of little tiny rolls off the smallest waves I could find. And was sorting out how to rotate as fast as possible. I came to the conclusion that the best way to do it was to keep the nose really low (like you would a flat water roll) and keep weight over the front. Again, stuff that logically is the way that you would think you should do it, but I needed to figure it out. All the while I'm trying to psych my self up to do this, but was really probably doing more to psych myself out.
After sitting with the guys outside for a few minutes, and trying to still figure out just how in the **** I was going to do this...I just sort of decided it was time and I was going to try. But I did not tell any of them. I headed north a little and decided that if I was ever going to do it, that now was the time...so I turned off my brain and went for it.
Just a little FYI for you guys out there pushing for new tricks...I have found something very helpful for learning new stuff. You see there is this little voice that always seems to creep into your head just at the last second before you try something new...and I'm not sure what yours says...but mine usually says something along the lines of "woooooow wooooow what in the **** are you about to do that for????stop you moron," well you need to just turn that off and just try it. :headbang:
The first attmept was off a wave that was about head high, and if I'm being honest with myself, I'd say I probably only commited about 80%, mostly because I could still not "see" how this was going to work. And another FWI is that you will never ever land anyting like that if you are going to go in at any less than 100% you are better off not trying.. But I threw it as hard as could and made about 1.5 and threw it away, cause I didn't see any good reason to try and hold on to that. This was the farthest I had gotten up to that point, and the biggest thing I got from it was that it did not hurt, unlike the past half-ass attmepts. And that got rid of a lot of the fear portion of the trick. But still I did not have my head around it, I did not know how i was gonna do it.
I decided to take a little breather and just have some fun...Did some backys with Runaway, watched MattSmith ride his XP like a mad man (yes, the same guy that just had his ACL replaced:bigeyes
, watched Derek and Jerry going big on the blasters...and just took it easy to clear my head a little.
In doing that the spring that closes the throttle broke...so that was the end of Sat. And I was bummed! I made a little progress, but could not figure how to get farther.
Sunday...still to come...sorry I'm so long winded about this, hopefully it is interesting.
OK...I'm going to start this by saying that we are really close. And I do mean we, because there is no way that I would be doing this with out you guys. All you guys here have really pushed me to try, and I'm getting close.
Saturday I went out about 90% confident that I would do it...but having never really had a good look at the double, I just could not get my head around it. Plus the camera that Derek (waveblaster069) brought decided it did not want to work, today was just going to be practice:wink:. I headed out with the intention of doing tons of really small rolls to figure out how to rotate as fast as possible...and just get a feel for that first. Then use the advice that Pete and Joe Kenney had given me to try it...Pete and I talked about technique a bit, but we have diffenet styles to our rolls. Basically, Pete does a little S to get the momentum started for the roll and I don't. But he did tell me to start thinking about initiating the rotation a little earlier comming off the top of the wave and what helped the most was his advice to hit the wave later than you would for a normal roll. And Joe basically said to do a roll like you would off a 6inch wave, just do it off a 6 foot wave. Ok...easy enough right. :biggrin:
While both those gems of advice seem pretty obvious, it did help me a lot talk about it a little more...still trying to get my head around it, and "see it" if that makes sense.
That morning I did tons of little tiny rolls off the smallest waves I could find. And was sorting out how to rotate as fast as possible. I came to the conclusion that the best way to do it was to keep the nose really low (like you would a flat water roll) and keep weight over the front. Again, stuff that logically is the way that you would think you should do it, but I needed to figure it out. All the while I'm trying to psych my self up to do this, but was really probably doing more to psych myself out.
After sitting with the guys outside for a few minutes, and trying to still figure out just how in the **** I was going to do this...I just sort of decided it was time and I was going to try. But I did not tell any of them. I headed north a little and decided that if I was ever going to do it, that now was the time...so I turned off my brain and went for it.
Just a little FYI for you guys out there pushing for new tricks...I have found something very helpful for learning new stuff. You see there is this little voice that always seems to creep into your head just at the last second before you try something new...and I'm not sure what yours says...but mine usually says something along the lines of "woooooow wooooow what in the **** are you about to do that for????stop you moron," well you need to just turn that off and just try it. :headbang:
The first attmept was off a wave that was about head high, and if I'm being honest with myself, I'd say I probably only commited about 80%, mostly because I could still not "see" how this was going to work. And another FWI is that you will never ever land anyting like that if you are going to go in at any less than 100% you are better off not trying.. But I threw it as hard as could and made about 1.5 and threw it away, cause I didn't see any good reason to try and hold on to that. This was the farthest I had gotten up to that point, and the biggest thing I got from it was that it did not hurt, unlike the past half-ass attmepts. And that got rid of a lot of the fear portion of the trick. But still I did not have my head around it, I did not know how i was gonna do it.
I decided to take a little breather and just have some fun...Did some backys with Runaway, watched MattSmith ride his XP like a mad man (yes, the same guy that just had his ACL replaced:bigeyes
, watched Derek and Jerry going big on the blasters...and just took it easy to clear my head a little. In doing that the spring that closes the throttle broke...so that was the end of Sat. And I was bummed! I made a little progress, but could not figure how to get farther.
Sunday...still to come...sorry I'm so long winded about this, hopefully it is interesting.
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- Location
- gold coast
Just what i need a step by step of what i am not doing right
Ha ha
sounds good ross i am sure you guys are going to land it soon
How is the fx handling the strain of it all
Ha ha
sounds good ross i am sure you guys are going to land it soon
How is the fx handling the strain of it all
- Location
- Del Mar, CA
Sunday..
Today Jerry and I headed to Oceanside, and I was stressing cause still I just could not see what I needed to do differently to make it.
But I had to do it...so I was going to figure it out. Plus LBE was there to coach me, so I was good.
I spent the whole time we were getting ready and heading out trying to go over what I needed to do diffenently, and finally on the way out of the harbour it clicked. I needed to look for that second rotation. Before, I would roll and then after coming around I would look down at the water and I slamed in to it head first....:frown: But once I realized where I was looking, and what I needed to do, it all just clicked. And finally for the first time, I could "see" it.:1244: :1244: Now I just had to do it.
Derek and Ryan were on Derek's sitdown to film, and the camera was working...so it was time to do it.
The first few that I tried, I was opening up after the first roll and doing kind of a windmill on the beginning of the second. And I just pitched them away...
Coach had to take me aside a little tell me to stay tucked more and not throw the ****ing thing away and I'd be money...
So I took his advice, and did the best I could to put it all together. The end of this is on video...not well. But I think you can just see the second rotation, but we will see when Jerry gets it up. I was not tucked super tight during the first roll, and LBE's advice ran through my head so I tucked a little harder as I began the second rotation. This combined with looking for the second part of the roll is what got it as far as it did. It was not a double, I would hope it was a little more than 1-3/4 but you would get a better assesment from the guys who saw it from the back. I at least landed flat enough to hurt my heal a little but also landed hard enough on the side to have the flame arrestor hit the hull so hard it put a couple of small breaks/indentations in the hull.
I really appreciate all you guys pushing me...I think we'll ride out of one of these before too long.
:Banane01: :Banane01:
Today Jerry and I headed to Oceanside, and I was stressing cause still I just could not see what I needed to do differently to make it.
But I had to do it...so I was going to figure it out. Plus LBE was there to coach me, so I was good.
I spent the whole time we were getting ready and heading out trying to go over what I needed to do diffenently, and finally on the way out of the harbour it clicked. I needed to look for that second rotation. Before, I would roll and then after coming around I would look down at the water and I slamed in to it head first....:frown: But once I realized where I was looking, and what I needed to do, it all just clicked. And finally for the first time, I could "see" it.:1244: :1244: Now I just had to do it.
Derek and Ryan were on Derek's sitdown to film, and the camera was working...so it was time to do it.
The first few that I tried, I was opening up after the first roll and doing kind of a windmill on the beginning of the second. And I just pitched them away...
Coach had to take me aside a little tell me to stay tucked more and not throw the ****ing thing away and I'd be money...
So I took his advice, and did the best I could to put it all together. The end of this is on video...not well. But I think you can just see the second rotation, but we will see when Jerry gets it up. I was not tucked super tight during the first roll, and LBE's advice ran through my head so I tucked a little harder as I began the second rotation. This combined with looking for the second part of the roll is what got it as far as it did. It was not a double, I would hope it was a little more than 1-3/4 but you would get a better assesment from the guys who saw it from the back. I at least landed flat enough to hurt my heal a little
but also landed hard enough on the side to have the flame arrestor hit the hull so hard it put a couple of small breaks/indentations in the hull.I really appreciate all you guys pushing me...I think we'll ride out of one of these before too long.
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- Germany
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Ross_C said:I at least landed flat enough to hurt my heal a little
NO Ouches, Those Ankle Supports should be there today or tomorrow.
Dont go hurting yourself, wait for some gear. seriously. :aargh4:
I am super stoked on what you have done already ! :hail: Congrats !
I will say you have it made over there, because over here I have only
one person to push me, and he is Neutral for this Event ! :frown:
If I had some Rider Friends that would push and Coach like your crew.
I would be doing double backs and Fronts :bigeyes: ! That was compliement
to your Crew.... I hope that some Jersey Coaches come out and Stoke
me up... thank you for your learning process above, that is like a Coach
in itself ! :headbang: :woot: :Banane01:
(Wheres that Vid ?)
guiness92
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- South Jersey Shore
I'll be out riding as much as possible to get you stoked to do it pete. I suck at riding but at least the moral support will be there lol.
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- South Jersey Shore
and Ross congrats on your progress. Sounds to me like you'll have it in no time. Funny you guys are talking about doubles and I never even did a roll. But I also have only been on a sj like 6 times. hopefully this year will be a turning point for everyone!!
hangtime
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- WORCESTER,MASS- HAMPTON N.H.
JensNonsens said:
Not a double ,he lands on his side .
It's gonna be real hard to pull a double and land on your feet and ride it out ,lots of guys have done 1 1/2 or 1 3/4 but no one has landed a double yet .
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guiness92 said:
Thanks Dude. that is Awesome ! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :headbang:
hangtime said:
Some have done a complete double.... Ross just posted some Oside guys did !
hangtime
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PancakePete said:
the key word here is LANDED :headbang: that means on your feet
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hangtime
Speak up ,don't kiss azz
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- WORCESTER,MASS- HAMPTON N.H.
PancakePete said:
I've read that thread too but still never seen one .
If you don't have a pic or video it never happened:headbang:
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hangtime said:
You read that..... :wink:
mudphish said:
hangtime
Speak up ,don't kiss azz
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PancakePete said:
Ya ,I'm a member over there too .show me the vid Pete.
I dont have time to search for this stuff :headbang:
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hangtime said:
Not listed but they have it
http://www.blowsion.com/search_results.asp?txtsearchParamTxt=video&txtsearchParamCat=ALL&btnSearch.x=0&btnSearch.y=0&txtsearchParamType=ALL&iLevel=1&txtsearchParamMan=ALL&txtsearchParamVen=ALL&txtFromSearch=fromSearch
Also some landed doubles on foreign sites...
My point is dont keep saying no one has done it because you dont
want to look for a vid. I am at work and dont have time either.
There is the motosurf vid on elprofessor that shows it too !
http://www.elprofessor.com/videos/djfprod/
THanks !
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I saw Buffacci pull off a really good one on vid... I would call it a complete double roll
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yamaslut said:
Sweet !:headbang:
Post a vid, other wise what anyone says is Bullsheit !
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yamaslut
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PancakePete said:Sweet !:headbang:
Post a vid, other wise what anyone says is Bullsheit !
it's bull**** then, cause I aint looking for it
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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hangtime
Speak up ,don't kiss azz
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- WORCESTER,MASS- HAMPTON N.H.
Joe Kenney told Ross he's never seen anyone pull a true double BR either .
A lot of talk but no proof yet ,must be a lot of bullsheit
I'm hoping my doubting you guys is to be used for motivation
so you can tell me to shut the fuick up when you do it:headbang:
A lot of talk but no proof yet ,must be a lot of bullsheit
I'm hoping my doubting you guys is to be used for motivation
so you can tell me to shut the fuick up when you do it:headbang: