Damn MSD enhancer!

[Ragged Edge Racing]

Regardless, is suppose if you wanted a ideal curve, and to accomodate every power stroke, you would have to map out 8000 points, being that some ski's rev to 8k rpms or more. As for dual sparking, the Advent only fires once to both cylinders. Don't hold me to it, but I believe he has tried using two capacitors to fire independently instead of the one single used. It didn't perform any better than the single. As for the programming algorythm every 250 vs.25rpm, it's simply software. Sure it takes time to write more code, how much? Benefit?? As to the programming charge, only if it is custom do you pay the $75. The average rider will not do this. Some of the distributors have the programmer and may do it for free. How would you like everyone sending you their units and asking you to constantly re-program the ignition? You would charge too. I'm not trying to bust your chops, competition is good. Just trying to see how you derived your price point vs the performance gains/optimazation you are claiming to make. I was a sucker for the Vilder in the day, worked great for about 2 years and died. Didn't buy another.

 

[waxhead]

Firing the plugs indendently is not much good unless you have a way to time each cylinder on there own
the advent doesnt have this and nethier does mine
the only one i know that does that is the total loss msd with two pickups

i would rather offer some one every thing i can and have them not use it than to tell them they dont need it and its not worth it which goes against every thin we have learnt

The Average rider will not change there curve
How ever the average rider wants a cheap ignition like an enhancer or a ignition system with the rev limiter removed

My ignition takes 30 seconds to reprogram and i would be happy to redo every ones ignition as they decide to change there setup

If some one changes there engine setup and needs a curve i will help them
but i also offer this service i will lend them a programmer for a 225 deposit
when i get it back in working condition then i will refund there money

Price point versus performance claims
well if you had a boat that was optimized and not just a curve thown at it that worked in some one elses boat and you boat was holeshotting and you won a major event then i guess it seems very worth while then

Regarding as if its worth while doing Are you kidding
Ask Greg,he spoke to me on the phone about 2 years ago and told me it was awesome when he did it.
Its basic mechanics you want to make the most power out of every power stroke you can
this will make your engine smoother and more efficent
you will not have detonation problems because you have to much advance in a certain point because you are trying to get that much adavnce further on in the 250rpm range
because you have this ability you dont have to run a less than optimized igniton advance to try and starve off detonation
How many people changer there pipes and carbs looking for that last little bit
There is people out there that will buy 2 sets of carbs just to see what brand hits harder


Vilder has a much better reputation than alot of other ignitions out there for there reliablity
i have certain brands not go when they turn up and others kick back on the starter badly
I was sponsered by another ignition manfactuer and when there ignition got here it was crap it made my ski run so badly and i sent it back
they then told me they had no idea what was wrong but they were trying to figure it out
this same manafactuer is still having the same issue
These ignitions in themselves are what drove me to another brand out there that work


I am starting to get the impression here that i am talking to an advent rep and not just some one asking questions

 

[Ragged Edge Racing]

Nope, I just sold Greg the microcontroller to him and the switching power supply to him. Very simple design internally as far as componentry. He gave me the Ignition 101 schpeel when I called on him as a customer. The reason I ask as to why your ignition is/may be better than the competition is there are a lot of companies out there that make a lot of claims of about performance gains. IMO, the best performance gain would be to learn how to ride the ski better and make use of all the power you have instead of making power that you can't control. :biggrin:

 

[waxhead]

I make no claim to add horsepower to an engine
just get every avaliable horsepower that your engine has with the setup it has

Every one will give you the ignition schmeel when you talk to them
what i am trying to give you is the facts
my ignition will make no more than a advent or a stock or anything else assuming you could get the stock or advent or any other to fire in the exact time the engine needs and not just a guess of what some one else boat wanted
the inferno allows you to do tune itself to fire in the exact time you want it to with out having to send it back and pay 75 each time for the pleasure

a well tunned ski is easier to ride than a ski with a less then well tuned setup
put a pipe on a ski and see how much eaiser it is to ride

 

[QJS]

Not wishing to critisize but why do some of these units need expensive programmers? With our system you just plug it in to your computer and change the curve-job done. Does'nt even need a special programme.
Chris.

 

[waxhead]

because we are writing to an eprom and the box is the eprom writer

if i was to put that into the ignition it would add bring the price up more as well as having electronics in the box you dont need

thats why i offer the system where you can burrow the box with a 225 deposit that you get back when i get the box back

 

[QJS]

I still don't understand, Eprom technology is 10-15 years out of date, the current way to go is flash technology thus eliminating the need for any boxes etc. Retains it's memory when powered down, very small and compact and very little current drain. Just thought that designing something new, up to date technology would be used, do all the other units use Eprom e.g Advent etc?
Chris

 

[Ragged Edge Racing]

I still don't understand, Eprom technology is 10-15 years out of date, the current way to go is flash technology thus eliminating the need for any boxes etc. Retains it's memory when powered down, very small and compact and very little current drain. Just thought that designing something new, up to date technology would be used, do all the other units use Eprom e.g Advent etc?
Chris

The Advent utilizes the flash on board the micro. As for the others out there, I don't know. What micro did you use Wax? Lot's to choose from out there that are less than $5.00 and up to 128k of flash on board. Should have called me when you were designing the thing.

 

[waxhead]

i am not the electronic guru i am working in conjunction with some other guys
the electronics part is up to them,my main critera is that it had to be RELIABLE
i dont see the need for every one to know what parts are in it
the finial proof is if it runs and keeps running
so far its been awesome

Paul has one lets just see what he comes back with he is testing it now

 

[Ragged Edge Racing]

i am not the electronic guru i am working in conjunction with some other guys
the electronics part is up to them,my main critera is that it had to be RELIABLE
i dont see the need for every one to know what parts are in it
the finial proof is if it runs and keeps running
so far its been awesome

Paul has one lets just see what he comes back with he is testing it now

I would be interested to see the results on a dyno with a stock ignition, yours and the Advent. Seat of the pants testing is a poor test at best. Let us know when Paul has done the final testing.

 

[waxhead]

Paul will let every one know
our was done with a stalker gun testing

as you may or may not be aware one ignition will not make more power than the other
no ignition will make more power than the stock one
the gain comes from having the ignition firing in the correct time
if you could get the stock one to do thatr then the stock would be fine

 

[Ragged Edge Racing]

So Wax, I was just talking ignitions with someone and this thread came to mind. So what were the findings from Paul?? Been a couple months so I'm sure he has had plenty of time to test.

 

[Freestyleriverrat]

Hey wax, do you have a pic of a ski with your box mounted. How does it hook up..............does it go in the electrical box or is it a stand alone deal like the MSD TL?

 

[waxhead]

in respect to what paul found with my ignitions
well he has ordered some more
well we did a deal on a lamey cylinder anyway
so i guess he is happy

the ignition goes stright in the place of the stock cdi
its just bolts in
if i was to show you a picture of a ski with it in then it would look just like any other ski

i am working on a total loss one as well and also a system for the 950 sea doo
not that i think anyone one here will be interested in a 950 sea doo one

here is a picture of the flywheel
i am just getting prices on the ring gear at the moment

 

[felix5oh]

:aargh4: :aargh4: :aargh4:



go to start the ski today... intermittant spark, STRONG spark when I let off the start button.

<RANT OFF>

Same thing just happened to me today. It acts like the stop switch is bad but it's not. No spark while cranking then one spark when i let off. Very moist inside the box. It's crusty too. Time for a new one.

 

[hangtime]

Same thing just happened to me today. It acts like the stop switch is bad but it's not. No spark while cranking then one spark when i let off. Very moist inside the box. It's crusty too. Time for a new one.

Mine did the same thing because it was hooked up wrong .recheck that every wire is hooked up properly

 

[cambo au]

well i have just put a deposit on a inferno ignition witch i hope to have in my boat in about 2-3 weeks i will let you know how it gos and if there are any probs i have been contemplating what ignition to buy for ages and my thoughts were that i dont always plan on having the same motor so the msd is out as for the vilder a couple of my mates have had issues with them so they were out i have heard mixed reports on the advent and here in australia there is a heap of guys running them with all good things to say so only time will tell as for the start of this thread i would much rather pay 600 for waxs that is always ready to go than pay 200 for a msd that plays up and it always seems to play up when the surf is pumpin
just my .02

 

[felix5oh]

After a closer look, the red wire had broke off. How the hell was it getting it's power, through the start switch????

This electrical box gets water in it all the time. I cleaned all the grounds and replaced some conectors. We'll see if this does it. My Kawi's never got water in the electrical box. This is a weak link from the Superjet, huh? I finally finished jetting this thing cause i had some fuel delivery issues and i dont need spark problems now. So far it sounds good on the trailer. I still dont know how it ran that whole time with a broken power wire.

 

[Sanford]

After a closer look, the red wire had broke off.

Ahh, red wire. This is probably the most common issue anytime water is introduced into the electrical box. The issue happens over time because the red wire on the enhancer is "spliced" in the middle from the factory and unfortunately MSD doesn't use a good quality heatshrink to seal the splice. Water easily gets in where the 2 red wires are side-by-side (shrunk together) so over time saltwater does its magic (fresh too but can take much longer). On mine I usually reseal with high grade epoxy heatshrink or just smear 5200 over the spliced ends.

 

[sjetrider]

:aargh4: :aargh4: :aargh4:

so i bought this thing used, a few years back, been fine forever.

go to start the ski today... intermittant spark, STRONG spark when I let off the start button.

open the elec box, water pours out.

enhancer has white crusty crap on it.

I swapped in my spare, fired right up.

I guess Ill send it off, and see if they can fix, or open it up and see howto make them better.

ive had rock solid faith in them for years, and now I dont any longer.

ive got one more spare MSD, and a couple of stockers.

now to seal up my elec box.

<RANT OFF>

The Enhancer is not the problem bro. Your second statement is. Water = :skull2: on electrical parts:banghead: