Backflip Hulls in the surf????

[jetskier79]

:cool2: Its hard to be confident when youve only attempted 4.:splatt: Im still smacking the nose in.

Ha, that's fine, I was just giving you a hard time. I don't like to do them in waste deep water either. You never know when it won't go quite right.

 

[Goose]

i love the feel of my shortned hull and have no problems rolling it this is flatwater.it was a learning curve again rolling it compared to rolling a stock legnth hull but for flatwater having the nose up is about ideal for airel tricks hood tricks are a little tough.as far as the surf i havent had a chance to get it out yet.

 

[jeepmark4x4]

im with gooser on this one...my shortened hull has yet to see salt water...but when it happens ill let ya'll know :biggthumpup:

 

[RiverRat]

Light hulls and shortened hulls are typically a hand full in flatwater much less the surf. But they are more purpose built flatwater boats. It is hard to build a all purpose boat (excluding the EME which is the best hull I have been on; equally at home on flatwater or the surf).

I used to like carving up barge waves on my ski, made me feel like I was riding surf. However, since I built the X-jet it just does not take to hard turns as well as my heavier squarenose did. The bottom deck is great for flatwater, nice and squirrly on the rear but still carves really hard and the complete boat is very boyant and nimble. I have never been on a ski that is so flickable and reacts so quickly to rider and wave movements. It is a blast in flatwater, I see it as very twitchy in choppy conditions and a bear in big surf. I think in the surf the boat has to sink down and really bite the water hard, light hulls seem to just dance on the surface.

If you were to just chop a regular hull I think it would be fine in the surf as long as you did not make it a featherweight hull in the process. Regular tank and waterbox to keep weight in the nose so the boat is balenced. Chop 3in off the rear and I think that would work well. Still carve hard, the boat would positivly rest in the water, but the nose would rise more quickly. Might be usefull for guys riding in the smaller surf.

 

[yamaslut]

the fact that he does that a oem reinforced hull lets us know its not neccessary for us to drop 6k on a hull to do some badass poop in the surf. idk from experience, but from the videos, it seems the waves over there arent as steep , or for lack of a better word, as gnarly. perhaps a longer, heavier, more solid ski is a better setup over here? it seems no one rides an am hull at pismo. like i said, i dont really know or have any experience on a am hull

Would you agree that AM hulls are generally better built????
I'm looking for a light boat that is solid... like I said, It's about
putting weight in the right place...

 

[thegoldenboy]

I like that idea, but I'm not sure about it. Removable pieces of hull doesn't sit well with me.
I know extensions are used like this and have proven to be durable, but if I'm buying an aftermarket hull and spending the money, I hope someone can design a bottom deck/hull that is well rounded, I shouldn't have to change/remove extensions.

I guess it depends what you want. I personally don't care if I can flatwater backflip. I do care however if I can do it off a wake or roller.
So to me a shortened hull may not be the best, I'd rather have a boat that can do everything well instead of a few things "really" well.

Features I would want:

a) Still rides slightly nose high,
b) Has enough weight reduction to warrant the purchase (90-95lb. hull is max weight I think I'd want, anything more doesn't seem light enough, may as well work with an OEM topdeck, of WCF/XFT topdeck on a OEM bottom.)
c) Stronger than OEM (a given)
d) Better looking design (although I'm digging Butti's hull over and above everything else AM, so maybe not)
e) Perhaps an option to mount the 66E platform (WDK hulls). But this would be my last request. A 62T built motor will haul my light arse well enough. I'll never need more than a stock stroke motor. If I find I do, my technique isn't good enough.

Its all about what you want to do with the boat. No good answer.



RiverRat - The hull sits high and is very bouyant. Why wouldn't that be a blast in a freeride application? Getting jarred off wakes and rollers, skipping the hull in corners. The best part I like about standups is when they get all erratic. Thats what makes it fun & hard to get good at. I'm sure with the right weight distribution the boat will handle good enough. OEM tank, and regular weight battery. Bring the nose down a bit, but not too much:smile:

 

[yamaslut]

dam, i thought it was cool as hell.

you could configure your hull to whatever conditions youre riding in, in just 3 minutes.

the extensions themselves are beefy as hell and are held in by 3 bolts each.

i thought it was slick.

It's very cool.... That's just one opinion...

 

[WaveDemon]

dam, i thought it was cool as hell.

you could configure your hull to whatever conditions youre riding in, in just 3 minutes.

the extensions themselves are beefy as hell and are held in by 3 bolts each.

i thought it was slick.

does your new hull have that?

 

[danjrowan]

can i see a pic of this hull with the extensions? sounds like a good idea

 

[FL-cracker]

Light hulls and shortened hulls are typically a hand full in flatwater much less the surf. But they are more purpose built flatwater boats. It is hard to build a all purpose boat (excluding the EME which is the best hull I have been on; equally at home on flatwater or the surf).

I used to like carving up barge waves on my ski, made me feel like I was riding surf. However, since I built the X-jet it just does not take to hard turns as well as my heavier squarenose did. The bottom deck is great for flatwater, nice and squirrly on the rear but still carves really hard and the complete boat is very boyant and nimble. I have never been on a ski that is so flickable and reacts so quickly to rider and wave movements. It is a blast in flatwater, I see it as very twitchy in choppy conditions and a bear in big surf. I think in the surf the boat has to sink down and really bite the water hard, light hulls seem to just dance on the surface.

If you were to just chop a regular hull I think it would be fine in the surf as long as you did not make it a featherweight hull in the process. Regular tank and waterbox to keep weight in the nose so the boat is balenced. Chop 3in off the rear and I think that would work well. Still carve hard, the boat would positivly rest in the water, but the nose would rise more quickly. Might be usefull for guys riding in the smaller surf.

Nice post :biggthumpup:

I think in good surf conditions (glass/semi glass water) That the lighter the better.... Im not even running a deep water intake grate either, and I have no problems with launching my boat out in Waist to chest "very messy" surf.... If you need the nose to come down why not just put a longer rideplate on it? I wouldnt like a Shortened hull for the surf though.... no fuggin way!

 

[thegoldenboy]

dam, i thought it was cool as hell.

you could configure your hull to whatever conditions youre riding in, in just 3 minutes.

the extensions themselves are beefy as hell and are held in by 3 bolts each.

i thought it was slick.

It is cool as hell. I guess I'd need to see it, I'm sure it would be beefy enough if someone is producing it (TKO right?).

I think I'd be nervous that it would break, beaching it, whacking a stump or shoal (where I ride), landing on the tail of the ski in shallow water, who knows what is on the bottom.

If you want an all around boat it would be good I guess. I'd just hope that someone offers a bottom that is good enough without having extensions on it. Even if its a stock SJ bottom, obviously lighter.

 

[accbr]

i'm surprised noone commented on the hull extensions.

wouldnt that give you a lightweight surf boat you could still take full advantage of in flatwater?

I have another OEM hull with Blowsion extensions on it. I'm gonna try to cut them off without destroying them, and put some threaded inserts in the back of the hull. That way I can take them on and off. I know it's not the same as a shortened hull, but just something I want to try.

 

[Exile]

K, thanx guys 4 the response its very informing!!!! Marcel Bestel broke his Rickter Pole in 2 in the surf, does this mean they are not that cool n strong then????

So I gues a flatwater bflip hull with the blowsion trim system will be over kill!?! I just like the ease light hulls seem to make the effort easier, im rollong my stock hull with reinforcments that weights more than a log....at least it cant brake ;>.

 

[Legdrag's]

Here's a couple pictures of the Trim tabs. We have a hard time keep a hulls instock that's why we don't advertise. Even though the hull is 3 inches shorter it handles very well. I guess most guys are leaving the hull extensions off.

Basically you can tune the ski for your liking.

 

[Legdrag's]

I like that idea, but I'm not sure about it. Removable pieces of hull doesn't sit well with me.
I know extensions are used like this and have proven to be durable, but if I'm buying an aftermarket hull and spending the money, I hope someone can design a bottom deck/hull that is well rounded, I shouldn't have to change/remove extensions.

I understand where you are coming from but that's why those pieces are removable. Not every ones the same. It's not just the money why they make different ride plates & intake grates. Different riders. Different styles. one hull. That's what I was thinking.

BTW. There's 4 bolts holding the extensions on. TKo has not had one hull extension break or come off. Theres only 4 bolts holding your ride plate on & intake as well. And we lose those before.