Av Gas

In short AV GAS is lighter due to planes using it(it is lighter than any other form of gas) but for pwc or any land usage you need the heavy molecules to compensate and run it for reliability....I wanted to do the same a few weeks back....In short go 50,50 avgas with pump gas or spend the extra cash or genuine RACE FUEL.......
 

Don 79 TA

Still Fat....
i had a very indepth article on AV gas vs regular gas by a chemist.
i have to see if i can find the link
there are differences.

i've ran it, and it ran fine
i know others have ran it in various things and had no problems, i also know of people who did

it is also made for higher altitudes
 
I use 100LL av gas every once in a while and I swear I can tell a difference in the performance on my superjet. My buddy that races road course uses it in his BMW, when he gets some for his races I go with him and get some also. Sometimes it is just in peoples head that you get increased performance. "Sticker factor." You know- the more racing product stickers I have on my boat the faster it is. Could just be in my head, but that's enough for me. And now it's almost the same price as 93 octane.
 

keefer

T1
Location
Tennessee
The only thing I question about AV (100ll< 100 octaine, Low leaded) gas is the burn rate of it, and the distillation curve. It's designed to burn in engines that are constantly run at 2500RPM, not around 10,000RPM. Airplanes don't need great throttle response either, unlike jetski's which (hopefully) change throttle response A lot hence, Braaaaap!:biggthumpup: . Don't take the octane rating on av gas for what its worth. It is rated differently. Normal and race gas use the RON or MON testing to figure octane rating. RON is reasearch octane number and mon is Motor octane number. I think the RON number is just what they belive the composition of the fuels octane should roughly be, the MON is an actual test where they highly stress the fuel untill they create a condition that it will detonate. American pump ratings take the RON and MON, and them together and divide by 2 to get that average (look at the pump next time you fill up!), a good compromise being the MON number is usually lower. Thats whay you see a rating on avgas like 100/130. I stay away from avgas b/c you can't compare it to race gas. Untill I know what avgas octane means in car/bike/ski fuel octane ratings I won't use it. THe specific gravity is also diff. This has two problems. First, it changes the jetting. You cannot swap between AVgas and race gas without rejetting. Because of the different weights of the fuels, your jetting will change.
Second, a lower specific gravity means it does not do as well with pre-mix oil. The oil will not stay suspended in AVgas, and will eventually separate and settle.
Bottom line is, AV gas may give you some benifit, but it's not the best. The increase in octane may prove useful if you are running a higher compression, so it is possible that you can extract more power from your engine with AV gas. However, AVgas is not formulated for high-rpm jet-ski use, and will not give you maximum performance.Sorry for the long post It just seems there are some misconceptions regarding fuels.:smile:

Great writeup, I had read similar info sometime in the past also. I knew that it had a different burn rate and was designed for low RPM engines. Personally I have access to a 110 race gas from a local pump. Runs great, no problems yet running 205 compression on my 760 SJ.
 

RoyalFlush@PCB

Shootin' The Crap
Location
PCB
The only thing I question about AV (100ll< 100 octaine, Low leaded) gas is the burn rate of it, and the distillation curve. It's designed to burn in engines that are constantly run at 2500RPM, not around 10,000RPM. Airplanes don't need great throttle response either, unlike jetski's which (hopefully) change throttle response A lot hence, Braaaaap!:biggthumpup: . Don't take the octane rating on av gas for what its worth. It is rated differently. Normal and race gas use the RON or MON testing to figure octane rating. RON is reasearch octane number and mon is Motor octane number. I think the RON number is just what they belive the composition of the fuels octane should roughly be, the MON is an actual test where they highly stress the fuel untill they create a condition that it will detonate. American pump ratings take the RON and MON, and them together and divide by 2 to get that average (look at the pump next time you fill up!), a good compromise being the MON number is usually lower. Thats whay you see a rating on avgas like 100/130. I stay away from avgas b/c you can't compare it to race gas. Untill I know what avgas octane means in car/bike/ski fuel octane ratings I won't use it. THe specific gravity is also diff. This has two problems. First, it changes the jetting. You cannot swap between AVgas and race gas without rejetting. Because of the different weights of the fuels, your jetting will change.
Second, a lower specific gravity means it does not do as well with pre-mix oil. The oil will not stay suspended in AVgas, and will eventually separate and settle.
Bottom line is, AV gas may give you some benifit, but it's not the best. The increase in octane may prove useful if you are running a higher compression, so it is possible that you can extract more power from your engine with AV gas. However, AVgas is not formulated for high-rpm jet-ski use, and will not give you maximum performance.Sorry for the long post It just seems there are some misconceptions regarding fuels.:smile:


BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!:biggrin:

You should have been putting my wear ring and impeller in my Sea Rayder, Slacker. :sneaky:
 
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yamaslut

Guest
I have used AVGas... (Robert got me some) saw no improvement at all. It just cost more. If anything it didn't perform as well as 93 octane.....

a side note... I didn't like the idea of leaded fuel dumping on me in the water either

I want to try 110 octane soon..
 

RoyalFlush@PCB

Shootin' The Crap
Location
PCB
I just figured your boat doesn't pertain to the topic at hand, So I tryed to keep it short. Crap here comes my pops..........later!:biggrin:

Maybe AV Gas is the only way to make it go faster than 8.75 knots. :sneaky:

Tell Councilman Ken I said, "Hi!" :wavey:
 

ski4

gonzo
Location
cleveland
i was speaking to a guy that flies jets wehn on vacation and we had this talk

he said av gas is not very good gas for things like hjet skis he tried to equate it to deisel fuel and that it is no way near the quality of fuel that race fuel is
he went into more detail but i don't remember and i was drinking
 

JSY701

X
Location
Jersey CI
Cheers guys very helpfull, will stick to 50/50 as cant realy import race gas to the island, MASSIVE shipping costs.

James

If you want to get some race gas givve me a shout, the M3 is mapped for it and I keep meaning to put some in to see how it runs now.. I'll split the cost with you, or I could pick some up on the way back from the UK...
 
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