Av Gas

shepster

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Hi, thinking of upping my comp from 175 to 200psi. Is it possible to run 100% Av Gas? I am currently mixing 50/50 with 97 octane super plus. What octane would that give me ?

James
 
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i don't see why you should not be able to run av gas with the bump in compression... if anything you might have to rejet one or two jets larger to compensate for the increase in compression and the increased demand for fuel to prevent detonation at higher compression
 

Matt_E

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I wasn't aware there's an increase in fuel demand with higher compression?
I thought the higher octane fuel takes care of the prevention of detonation.
 
I wasn't aware there's an increase in fuel demand with higher compression?
I thought the higher octane fuel takes care of the prevention of detonation.

thats is what i ahev always been told.... i could be wrong but it is better to be safe then sorry. if it is too fat you can always drop down a size or two... you can't go up because going means you already had the big kaboom
 
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i do not think you can run 100% AV gas. There is somethign differnt about the chemical make up of the gas if i am not mistaken. Something about heavy moelcules and light molecules. I think if you run 100% av gas you will see a big decrease in power. Maybe someoen with alot more knowledge then myself can chime in. I think there is a good article about it on groupk.com too
 

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Av gas will work fine with most freestyle motors, because you don't run prolonged high RPM's as you would with closed course motors. AV gas is designed for low RPM engines.
 

waxhead

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I have found that if you run avgas then you can actually see the difference on the tacho

Its not a difference you want to see
Buy some decent fuel and you will be happy
 
hi, what fuel ars you running?

1/2 93 oct mixed with 1/2 vp 110. im a cheap azz dont want to run higher compression then 200 on my blaster.now my new motor for my superjet thats being built is going to be set up as race gas only.just using vp110 because its easy to find around here.
 

Crab

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Its my understanding the solvents in the fuel to prevent icing on airplane motors will disolve the lubrication properties of 2 stroke oil. Racers I talked to said they would mix it and use it right away (if they couldn't find 110 octane race fuel), it won't keep.
 

TEEEE

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The octane grading system for AvGas is not the same as what you see at the gas station. 100LL Av will only be about 97 octane, for a rough apples/apples comparison to pump gas. I have run it at a 50/50 mix while chasing a deto problem and I know people that run it straight with no problems.

AvGas will bump the octane, but not as much as people think. It certainly is not the same as 110 race gas.
 

xxx2

Reply hazy, try again.
The only thing I question about AV (100ll< 100 octaine, Low leaded) gas is the burn rate of it, and the distillation curve. It's designed to burn in engines that are constantly run at 2500RPM, not around 10,000RPM. Airplanes don't need great throttle response either, unlike jetski's which (hopefully) change throttle response A lot hence, Braaaaap!:biggthumpup: . Don't take the octane rating on av gas for what its worth. It is rated differently. Normal and race gas use the RON or MON testing to figure octane rating. RON is reasearch octane number and mon is Motor octane number. I think the RON number is just what they belive the composition of the fuels octane should roughly be, the MON is an actual test where they highly stress the fuel untill they create a condition that it will detonate. American pump ratings take the RON and MON, and them together and divide by 2 to get that average (look at the pump next time you fill up!), a good compromise being the MON number is usually lower. Thats whay you see a rating on avgas like 100/130. I stay away from avgas b/c you can't compare it to race gas. Untill I know what avgas octane means in car/bike/ski fuel octane ratings I won't use it. THe specific gravity is also diff. This has two problems. First, it changes the jetting. You cannot swap between AVgas and race gas without rejetting. Because of the different weights of the fuels, your jetting will change.
Second, a lower specific gravity means it does not do as well with pre-mix oil. The oil will not stay suspended in AVgas, and will eventually separate and settle.
Bottom line is, AV gas may give you some benifit, but it's not the best. The increase in octane may prove useful if you are running a higher compression, so it is possible that you can extract more power from your engine with AV gas. However, AVgas is not formulated for high-rpm jet-ski use, and will not give you maximum performance.Sorry for the long post It just seems there are some misconceptions regarding fuels.:smile:
 
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The only thing I question about AV (100ll< 100 octaine, Low leaded) gas is the burn rate of it, and the distillation curve. It's designed to burn in engines that are constantly run at 2500RPM, not around 10,000RPM. Airplanes don't need great throttle response either, unlike jetski's which (hopefully) change throttle response A lot hence, Braaaaap!:biggthumpup: . Don't take the octane rating on av gas for what its worth. It is rated differently. Normal and race gas use the RON or MON testing to figure octane rating. RON is reasearch octane number and mon is Motor octane number. I think the RON number is just what they belive the composition of the fuels octane should roughly be, the MON is an actual test where they highly stress the fuel untill they create a condition that it will detonate. American pump ratings take the RON and MON, and them together and divide by 2 to get that average (look at the pump next time you fill up!), a good compromise being the MON number is usually lower. Thats whay you see a rating on avgas like 100/130. I stay away from avgas b/c you can't compare it to race gas. Untill I know what avgas octane means in car/bike/ski fuel octane ratings I won't use it. THe specific gravity is also diff. This has two problems. First, it changes the jetting. You cannot swap between AVgas and race gas without rejetting. Because of the different weights of the fuels, your jetting will change.
Second, a lower specific gravity means it does not do as well with pre-mix oil. The oil will not stay suspended in AVgas, and will eventually separate and settle.
Bottom line is, AV gas may give you some benifit, but it's not the best. The increase in octane may prove useful if you are running a higher compression, so it is possible that you can extract more power from your engine with AV gas. However, AVgas is not formulated for high-rpm jet-ski use, and will not give you maximum performance.Sorry for the long post It just seems there are some misconceptions regarding fuels.:smile:


you must be really really bored or actually know that to be writing that this early in the morning


on a side note if you know you are gonna be using the fuel on a regular basis and have 2-3 friends that are gonna be using it.... buy a 55 gallon drum and split the cost
 

xxx2

Reply hazy, try again.
I guess I should pay more attention to those commercials:hail:
I am just having a slow day at work and I remembered a little bit from college(had to write a paper),:biggrin:
 
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