Anyone got pics of their MSD TL setups/mounting?
- Thread starter onedumbtrucker
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- Kennewick, WA
How do these boxes mount up? Did you make some custom brackets or will it fit in the stock e box location? When you ran you LPW total loss was it mounted to a plate like most people do or did you have the total loss in an enclosure?
Could you post a list of tools you use to install a total loss. I think we should start a thread in the tech section specifically for a total loss installs. Matt started one maybe we could just add to it. Some good pictures along with tips and tricks of how to setup a total loss from start to finish. Also we could maybe start a parts list and some links on where to find enclosures, heat shrink, and connectors. There is a pretty decent write for an msd enhancer install I think there should be one for total loss.
I'm more than likely going to send mine off to JSS and have John work his magic but I will try to carefully document the install when the time comes.
Aircraftsalz
Thrust built Dasa Power
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- Off site
I will take some pictures in the next day of my boxed mounted... The Power factor/RRP box has 4 tabs you can bolt to the firewall.. I have also seen it strapped in the front of a ski...
My LPW ski I ran the msd on a plate with the solenoid , etc.... I had the coils mounted on a plate that sat on top of the battery... For a while I ran Kawi oem coils (I think off a 3 cylinder kawi) then switched back to msd coils...
Big thing I found with open msd and saltwater.... The complete motor , coils, and msd needs to be sprayed with silicone type spray before and after every ride... This really helped, other wise the salt would cause the coils to arch and drop a cylinder...
2nd all connections need to be water tight, marine heat shrink connectors, then heat shrink over all connections.. I normally double my heat shrink...
Also I don't cut my start / stop switch and hard wire.... Take the harness off a oem box and hard wire that so your start / stop has factory plugs...
Use dielectrical grease on all the connectors / plugs
Grounds.... Very important.... I prefer to have everything on one plate, coils, solenoid, msd unit, etc.... I make a ground stud ( counter sink on the rear of the plate, install bolt, use lock nut to make a stud) I then run a ground wire from both bolts on the coils to Grd, 2nd ground the msd, 3rd ground the starter solenoid.. I use common wire for this... Then I run a 6 ga ground wire from the stud direct to the starter bolt, along with the Grd going to the battery like a normal ski...
having good grounds helps keep everything working.... I have seen TL setup with just a small ground wire going to a bolt on the intake... It worked okay but needed attention at times...
As for the starter solenoid.... I have tried a/m ones, sea doo ones.... Best luck I have had is with the late oem Yamaha style .. I got the last 2 from Brian at Thrust
As for the JSS MSD TL wiring.... I haven't seen one in person, it appears nice from the photos I have seen... Like I said above I like using factory plugs.. I'm not a fan of having extra bullet style plugs and there seems to be a lot on the jss built tl setup......Less connections for water to cause problems with the better.... Not talking bad about John at JSS, this is just my opinion ....
Running MSD in fresh water you don't see anywhere near the problems as saltwater... Saltwater and MSD are not friends... Also MSD and salt water will give you a nice shock....FYI
This is just how I run mine.... I'm sure there's better ways to do it, but this has been proven to work in all conditions...
My LPW ski I ran the msd on a plate with the solenoid , etc.... I had the coils mounted on a plate that sat on top of the battery... For a while I ran Kawi oem coils (I think off a 3 cylinder kawi) then switched back to msd coils...
Big thing I found with open msd and saltwater.... The complete motor , coils, and msd needs to be sprayed with silicone type spray before and after every ride... This really helped, other wise the salt would cause the coils to arch and drop a cylinder...
2nd all connections need to be water tight, marine heat shrink connectors, then heat shrink over all connections.. I normally double my heat shrink...
Also I don't cut my start / stop switch and hard wire.... Take the harness off a oem box and hard wire that so your start / stop has factory plugs...
Use dielectrical grease on all the connectors / plugs
Grounds.... Very important.... I prefer to have everything on one plate, coils, solenoid, msd unit, etc.... I make a ground stud ( counter sink on the rear of the plate, install bolt, use lock nut to make a stud) I then run a ground wire from both bolts on the coils to Grd, 2nd ground the msd, 3rd ground the starter solenoid.. I use common wire for this... Then I run a 6 ga ground wire from the stud direct to the starter bolt, along with the Grd going to the battery like a normal ski...
having good grounds helps keep everything working.... I have seen TL setup with just a small ground wire going to a bolt on the intake... It worked okay but needed attention at times...
As for the starter solenoid.... I have tried a/m ones, sea doo ones.... Best luck I have had is with the late oem Yamaha style .. I got the last 2 from Brian at Thrust
As for the JSS MSD TL wiring.... I haven't seen one in person, it appears nice from the photos I have seen... Like I said above I like using factory plugs.. I'm not a fan of having extra bullet style plugs and there seems to be a lot on the jss built tl setup......Less connections for water to cause problems with the better.... Not talking bad about John at JSS, this is just my opinion ....
Running MSD in fresh water you don't see anywhere near the problems as saltwater... Saltwater and MSD are not friends... Also MSD and salt water will give you a nice shock....FYI
This is just how I run mine.... I'm sure there's better ways to do it, but this has been proven to work in all conditions...
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- Kennewick, WA
Lots of good info right there. One question though does the RRP box bolt up in place of the oem e box on super jets or is this box made strictly for the rickter hulls?
I like the idea of an enclose and using to stock connectors or weatherpak connectors. I'm considering building a plexi glass box that can mount in place of my oem ebox on my super jet. I also want to try to utilize the e box grommets kind of like the RRP box. To help with any condensation problems I was thinking I could put silca packets in there to help keep things dry.
Aircraftsalz
Thrust built Dasa Power
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- Off site
I will get some detailed pics of the RRP box Monday... I was going to put my XFR back together today, but that didn't happen so Monday it is...
But the power factor / RRP box would bolt right to a oem SJ firewall... The factory holes wouldn't work
But the power factor / RRP box would bolt right to a oem SJ firewall... The factory holes wouldn't work
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- Kennewick, WA
So I found a copy of the directions for the msd total loss in pdf form and I was looking over them.
Why do the directions say to keep the coils 12 inches away from the brain? I have noticed that most people have them mounted just a few inches away from the brain. Does it even matter?
Why do the directions say to keep the coils 12 inches away from the brain? I have noticed that most people have them mounted just a few inches away from the brain. Does it even matter?
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Nuklear6
I Dream 10' Surf!
MSD TL mounted in my Power Factor / RRP sealed box... I did the install and wiring, even added a hr meter.... I ride surf 90% of the time, has not leaked or fogged up.... Its the only way to go
Is there any chance you have the measurements of the above enclosure? LxWxH? Thanks in advance!
speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
Here's my recently completed box. All plugs are on the outside so I can remove it easily and includes my diode wiring that allows me to run one or both bilges from the same switch...
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- Kennewick, WA
nice box! Where did you get that from? How are you going to mount up the coils? What was the price on the box?
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speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
It's an Otter box. I got it off ebay for like $25. Fits like a glove, only pain was that my MSD still had like all the wire it came with new, and I didn't want to chop it down, so I had to stuff it in there. The watertight fittings came from my local granger at like $26 all together. I got ones that fit rubber, 4 hole grommets I already had from stock electrical boxes.
The coils are on an aluminum plate that I plan to just strap to the battery. This is until I can find them their own box, but the Octane is kinda tight inside, so they might just have to stay there until I get a new hull...
The coils are on an aluminum plate that I plan to just strap to the battery. This is until I can find them their own box, but the Octane is kinda tight inside, so they might just have to stay there until I get a new hull...
WILKEY
SO FAR CHANGE SUCKS!!!!!!
Damn shunnn nice
Nuklear6
I Dream 10' Surf!
speedysprocket
Alex
- Location
- Chesapeake, VA
Octanes mount ii on the bulkhead next to the electrical box and I'm just leaving it there.
I believe it does matter to mount your coils away from the brain to avoid electronic interferance. Msd has been building high performance systems for 50 years. They would not send you instructions that dont matter.
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- Kennewick, WA
Then why does almost every picture you see has the coils mounted just a few inches away from the brain? Seems like people wire them up all of the time with no problems even pro's like JSS mount the coils fairly close to the brain. X scream sell a total loss mounting plate that appears to have the coils mounted close to the brain. Take a look at Aircraftsale's RRP box. He says it works great. I'm sure it is indeed because of interference but it must not make to big of a difference.
I just looked at my directions and it says do not mount the coils within 6 inches of the brain. Maybe these pictures actually have the six inches or so of space. Pictures can be deceiving at times.
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ATB
RICKTER XFS 1100CC
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- granada spain
THIS IS my instalation box total loss
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- taipei Taiwan
I'm working on the Enclosure box with Cable Glands and the mounting bracket for MSD TL system I just got the box today and the test fit look like this
