Anybody try out windoze 8?

jetpilot08

jetpilot08

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Kennewick, WA
So far Windows 8 blows. It's mostly made for phones and tablets. They even took away the start button and now when you hit the windows key it takes you to the metro UI. Looks like it was designed by preschoolers. I can already tell most people will probably blow this OS off and wait until the next version. Once you get to the actual desktop it looks just like windows 7 minus the start button. I read somewhere someone is creating a fix to bring it back. I haven't played around with it too much yet and I am going to install the server 8 beta but I think it might be just as disappointing as well. I'll keep you posted.

How many computers do you have to deploy to? Did you deploy over your network?
 
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theiba

theiba

Can't get a ski stuck...
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Southern NJ
jetpilot08 said:
How many computers do you have to deploy to? Did you deploy over your network?
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I'm at about 125 machines currently, most of which are members of the domain. I just took over beginning of this year, and the network is a total disaster, and I wouldn't dream of abusing it like that lol. Part of my problem is I have a lot of specialized application machines (like asphalt plant control computers) that I can't touch or won't because I'm not sure on the compatibility. One of my plants has a total POS control system in it that I know would go ballistic if I even thought about W7.

I'm currently working on upgrading the WAN links, and my top most priority project is a total infrastructure upgrade. Probably going the Dell route with a 3-2-1V solution running vS and an equalogic array. It's my first true dive into virtualization, so I'm nervous but not afraid.

WS8 seems like they're addressing a lot of their issues to match what VMWare offers, but who knows, Microsoft says they're gonna do a lot of things they never actually deploy. Right now, the only advantage of HyperV (for someone who hasn't touched either) seems like licensing costs.
 
andy49510

andy49510

Location
Kansas
theiba said:
I'm at about 125 machines currently, most of which are members of the domain. I just took over beginning of this year, and the network is a total disaster, and I wouldn't dream of abusing it like that lol. Part of my problem is I have a lot of specialized application machines (like asphalt plant control computers) that I can't touch or won't because I'm not sure on the compatibility. One of my plants has a total POS control system in it that I know would go ballistic if I even thought about W7.

I'm currently working on upgrading the WAN links, and my top most priority project is a total infrastructure upgrade. Probably going the Dell route with a 3-2-1V solution running vS and an equalogic array. It's my first true dive into virtualization, so I'm nervous but not afraid.

WS8 seems like they're addressing a lot of their issues to match what VMWare offers, but who knows, Microsoft says they're gonna do a lot of things they never actually deploy. Right now, the only advantage of HyperV (for someone who hasn't touched either) seems like licensing costs.
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That sounds terrible. I'm taking a Windows 7 configuration class right now and the deploying Windows 7 chapter was by far the worst. Are you a network administrator?
 
theiba

theiba

Can't get a ski stuck...
Location
Southern NJ
andy49510 said:
That sounds terrible. I'm taking a Windows 7 configuration class right now and the deploying Windows 7 chapter was by far the worst. Are you a network administrator?
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Hey, been a while since I've gotten on (been ridiculously busy at work, haven't logged on here in months). Yeah, I'm the IT Administrator for my company. I was looking into doing a volume license for W7 Pro, but the cost difference between the OEM version and the VL version is absurd. By the time the original machine dies, more than likely they'll be on the next OS, so the OEM version is a better deal. The small time savings doing a company image with a VL install is minimal. If the rest of my environment is set up correctly and functioning, I ought to have plenty of time to deal with removing the small bit of bloatware that comes OEM installed. Certainly the time spent removing it is worth it over paying for a retail price.

So deployment for me isn't really a huge concern, I just get all of my machines preinstalled OEM. My Dell account rep told me of all his customers, and he's a senior account manager for the NE sector, only a handful use the VL route since the price difference is so great.

Microsoft licensing is :):):):)ed up. I don't even want to tell you the nightmare I've gone through with RDS licensing for Office and all.
 
MADMAT

MADMAT

Location
Ohio
Man I have given it some time on a machine and I HATE it! They really just said F you to the entire world IMO. It looks like they handed over the keys to a group of 3rd graders.

I can't even believe what I am seeing.
 
jetpilot08

jetpilot08

Location
Kennewick, WA
Have you tried out server 2012? It's just as much as pain in the @$$ as windows 8. I think Microsoft blew it on this one big time.

I agree their licensing is ridiculous! I'm working on some various remote desk top scenarios in my lab so a bought a 1 user cal. I can't believe the price of RDS CAL's!
 
mthomps

mthomps

Location
Cleveland
Microd**k can go f*** itself at this point.

Having to pay for a new license every 2 years or less is completely unacceptable and basically a big FU to it's user base. I hate it so much that the ONLY reason I even had it installed, which was direct x gaming, doesn't even matter to me anymore.

Bill is sweating...and it's showing.
 
Tyrant1919

Tyrant1919

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Washington, DC
Windows 8 is fine. In fact, things are just as easy to find in 8, without having to know which menu tree to go down. Want to find remote desktop? Windows Key, start typing, R-E-M. Oh it's right there. Need to find windows update? Windows key, U-P-D, click settings, Oh right there! All of my commonly used programs are on the first page, although I honestly don't use the metro UI except when I have to for settings and such. The only real difference is there's no start menu button. Which they are bringing back in 8.1. I was a firm supporter of Vista, 7, and now 8. I get a kick how people think it's a vastly different OS that sucks. Want to shut down? Alt-F4 that :):):):). Windows 8 is awesome. Take 10 minutes to explore and figure out how it works, you'll be fine.
 
OCD Solutions

OCD Solutions

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Rentz, GA
I just finished a plant wide process upgrade to win7 a few months back so I'm not too interested in doing it again anytime soon. The switch actually went pretty smooth once we upgraded our vendor licensing to allow for the latest revisions.

I haven't had a chance to test drive Win8 but I think it has potential, especially in plant control applications where PC's are dedicated to either an HMI operator panel or machine interface. The only problem I see is getting the vendors to write software versions that will actually work on that platform. Usually industrial vendors only build on robust and established OS's like win 98 and XP. I was amazed they supported Win7 as early as they did.
 
MADMAT

MADMAT

Location
Ohio
I think they supported 7 because it was a clearly a good OS just like when XP came out.

I have given 8 a lot of time now and I don't hate it but I see ZERO need for it....so I'm back on 7.
 
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thrasher204

Location
United States
watch out for vendors that "Support" win7 I've ran into quite a few programs that they just ported it over from vista with no changes other than the name. Needless to say they didnt work that great HP is the wort about doing that. We still have some machines here that are running XP but they are in Lab buildings hooked up to specialized equipment that the software only works on XP, and you need to buy new equipment to use for Win7.
 
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93rx7

Location
Cleveland, OH
my whole office is still on XP.. i have one machine running 7 and i had to rework a lot of our programs just to run on it

not looking forward to making everything work on 64bit pcs :(
 
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thrasher204

Location
United States
64 bit is really nice with the no ram limit :) to me 4gigs isnt enough anymore. and if its old software that is only available in 32bit you can always install the 32bit version of Win7. To me it seems like Win7 is the "fixed" version of windows Vista, they just wouldnt be able to sell anything with Vista on the box.
 
Tyrant1919

Tyrant1919

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Washington, DC
Vista was fine. The primary problem was all of the software developers didn't change any of their drivers or programs in general to be compatible with the change in the Vista kernel. They got all cushy with the 5 year old XP. Which was out way longer than it should have been. I believe this is the primary reason people hated Vista, none of their :):):):) worked except for browsing the internet.
 
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