Superjet Total loss
- Thread starter jura
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Looks quite simple on their site.
Everything fits in the oem elec box
and it comes programmed, you only
have to give them your setup.
It depends what you call a headache, we provide them with pre programmed curves if required so there is no real tuning. As for the installation, you fit the stator (pick up is already fitted) solder three connections then the flywheel, set your static timing and fit the ECU in your electric box using the OEM wiring harness and OEM connections. If you do find this complicated, probably best get some help but we are only a phone call away.
As for the difference, total loss does give a huge increase in perfofrmance, we have done back to back tests and find that a ski with a stock 701 cylinder and the usual pipe and head fitted with our ignition hits as hard or harder than most 760 freestyle ported skis with OEM ignition over here.
Chris.
SUPERTUNE
Race Gas Rules
- Location
- Clearwater Fl.
I read that he's referring to the MSD Tl system...Not Chris's ATP system!
If you are already running a light flywheel and you are looking for more then you need some 61x 760 jugs (surfersmurf selling a nice set up right now) or a team scream motor IMO. How is TL gonna help that motor anymore than its already been helped. You need more CC's IMO. I don't know much about TL but I would think the most massive gain from it would be its 2lb flywheel.
Freakrider
X247
- Location
- Tampa Bay area
IMO stick with your current set up....Total Loss = total loss of your wallet....pain in butt...less riding and more trouble shooting...do a search on here..."desire is the cause of all suffering " (on TL this saying is true) again IMO and what I saw a friend go through....
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Mat, Respectfully I think you are not understanding all of the benefits of Total Loss. The flywheel weight, which I believe you have wrong is only a part of it. I just weighed ours and it is 1.8lbs, I believe a RAD charging flywheel is closer to 2.8lbs. That aside you get a very big advantage from the more aggresive timing curve available with Total Loss plus added engine protection.
I have switched a number of RAD/Enhancer setups to the Flame ignition and in every case the customer has been both pleasd and surprised.
Chris.
Freakrider
X247
- Location
- Tampa Bay area
magnetic drag is not the biggest advantage...
I would go so far as to say magnetic drag is not even a factor at all whatsoever. The non charging flywheel is the lightest you can get. Thats the advantage. And then some advanced timing..... but that alone does not equate to arm pulling power and justify the expense/loss of charging ability...IMO. No way.
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You're right...I missed the ATP system. Sorry for the confusion.
What can you expect? Depends on how you use the throttle. If you tend to fan it 20 times a second (like most riders do) then a programable battery ignition will be noticable. If not then its a huge waste of money and a bit of a headache.
Cannibal
Tasty Human
- Location
- Summit Lake, WA
Just for comparison:
My MSD flywheel weighs 1lb 11oz and my ProTec lightened flywheel weighs 3lb 5oz.
My MSD flywheel weighs 1lb 11oz and my ProTec lightened flywheel weighs 3lb 5oz.
Cannibal
Tasty Human
- Location
- Summit Lake, WA
Yep TL Digital 4272, just weighed it right before I posted cause I couldn't remember what it was. I knew it was under 2lbs
I could be totally wrong, but aren't there other benefits of total loss..? Seems I've read that the MSD "multiple spark discharge" burns WAY better than a standard ignition. The total loss msd being a major improvement over the enhancer. I would assume the same for the ATP version.
Again I could be wrong as I never used it, but I have every intention of having this ATP total loss on my next boat. I know that I've read that the MSD enhancer gives a minimal, yet noticeable increase over stock and the TL setups are VERY noticeable and they are recommended to get they most out of a high performance engine.
Plus being able to provision your own timing setups, and switch between two curves is just awesome. Seems like you could have a "freestyle" curve that is just majorly cranked on bottom for blipping around, then a more rec curve to switch to to chase down the cruisers or barges or something. Seems like the way to go. I'll have one soon.
Again I could be wrong as I never used it, but I have every intention of having this ATP total loss on my next boat. I know that I've read that the MSD enhancer gives a minimal, yet noticeable increase over stock and the TL setups are VERY noticeable and they are recommended to get they most out of a high performance engine.
Plus being able to provision your own timing setups, and switch between two curves is just awesome. Seems like you could have a "freestyle" curve that is just majorly cranked on bottom for blipping around, then a more rec curve to switch to to chase down the cruisers or barges or something. Seems like the way to go. I'll have one soon.
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