Air Time Products Total Loss

[QJS]

Hi Guys

Giving that the dollar is getting really quite strong against the GBP with thought we’d show you our new Total loss.
We’re using the same electronic board components as before retaining the reliability of our existing system but altered the board dimensions so we can fit this in a smaller box. We wanted to be able to fit the ECU in the OEM electric box. Now we have made a billet aluminium enclosure that is exactly the same dimensions as the OEM CDI. We have listened to all of the comments customers have made over the last 4 years of selling these and have come up with fitting the control within the stock electric box, using the stock wiring harness and connectors alleviating any installer error problems i.e. bad connections and keeping everything as waterproof as possible.
Now if you look in the engine bay there is no way of seeing that it has a Total Loss fitted.

Existing features:
-The unit is still fully PC programmable and runs 2 side by side curves. When riding you can switch over to the second curve and back again, no need to beach your ski first.
-Either the purchaser can program their own curves with the program lead (optional extra) or we will do this before the unit is shipped. If at any point you want the curves changing ATP will re-program box foc to the original purchaser. The programming really is quite easy so if you are in a different country just buy the programming lead.
-Set the rev limiter etc
-Lightweight Flywheel
-Stator plate and pick up

New features:
- Billet ECU fit into your OEM electric box. Black anodised satin finish and laser engraved.
- Using OEM wiring harness
- Ignition stops on the button, no run on
- To program just remove fuse cap on electric box to access the program lead connectors.
- No need to externally switch off the unit. The built in “sleep mode” will turn off when engine activity ceases, it will power up again within 2 seconds of detecting engine movement. The “sleep mode” only consumes 8 millamps so no need to worry about battery drain

The price of the Total Loss to non EU customers is £724. As a guideline at today’s exchange $$ rate the cost would be approx $1077 plus shipping.

Any questions “fire” away.

Chris

 

[MADMAT]

That is beautiful! Thanks for the info. My friend is looking to go TL. I'll pass it on.

 

[Matt_E]

Chris,

Does it utilize the stock coil?
Thanks.

 

[QJS]

Yes Matt, the unit has been optimised to use the stock ignition coil, this is how we run since the beginning.
Chris

 

[QJS]

That is beautiful! Thanks for the info. My friend is looking to go TL. I'll pass it on.

Thanks

 

[Lakeman]

Do you have one that will work with the GP800 motor?

What kind of Warranty do you offer with this unit?

 

[WFO Speedracer]

That thing is badass!

 

[QJS]

Do you have one that will work with the GP800 motor?

What kind of Warranty do you offer with this unit?

The ignition will work but the stator and flywheel will not fit the GP800, this is something we may look at in the future if there is a market.
Chris.

 

[yamanube]

This is awesome!

 

[2lick]

A lot of there stuff is really attractive especially now that the exchange rates are rocking in our favor!!!!

Buy up those single intakes people!

 

[Waternut]

I'm a bit confused... What are the benefits of using this as opposed to an MSD total loss? The billet looks nicer (until you install it, then you can't see the billet) and it appears like a dirty cheating racer could get away with running it in a stock class but other than that...I'm not seeing much advantage to running this over an MSD setup and it costs vritually the same.

 

[freestylegeek]

I'm a bit confused... What are the benefits of using this as opposed to an MSD total loss? The billet looks nicer (until you install it, then you can't see the billet) and it appears like a dirty cheating racer could get away with running it in a stock class but other than that...I'm not seeing much advantage to running this over an MSD setup and it costs vritually the same.

Time and ease of installation.
One of the biggest issues with MSD total loss is proper set-up. I've installed one brand new set-up and re-wired two others. Each time it has taken between 30-40 hours! All the measuring, soldering, heat shrinking, wire routing, zip tieing, etc is worth some money. Plus, you need to either buy or build a mounting plate, and drill an tap that for the starter solenoid and coil(s). Then you need to hook up a on/off switch and make sure you remember to turn it off (or on when you want to ride).

The ATP guys did their homework on this thing.

Chris, I'd like to know what the range of RPM retard is? One of the huge benefits of the dual coil MSD obviously is the fact that you can remove 30º of timing. Also what is required to run the programing software (laptop, or can it work on a PDA)?

Looks really nice!!

 

[Matt_E]

It costs quite a bit less than the MSD TL.
MSD TL is not fully programmable, this ATP ignition is.

 

[freeride4me]

I'm a bit confused... What are the benefits of using this as opposed to an MSD total loss? The billet looks nicer (until you install it, then you can't see the billet) and it appears like a dirty cheating racer could get away with running it in a stock class but other than that...I'm not seeing much advantage to running this over an MSD setup and it costs vritually the same.

MSD look out! :buttkick:Sounds like salt water arcing has been eliminated. I always wondered why MSD & the others didn't make it fit the OEM box.

 

[QJS]

Chris, I'd like to know what the range of RPM retard is? One of the huge benefits of the dual coil MSD obviously is the fact that you can remove 30º of timing. Also what is required to run the programing software (laptop, or can it work on a PDA)?

Looks really nice!!

The unit is programmable from minus 12.5 degrees to 42 degrees at any RPM in 250 RPM increments. In theory this means you can go from 0-42 degrees in 250 revs and back down again in another 250 revs. The program uses Hyperterminal which is a standard part of Windows. Take a look at the screen shot this might make things clearer.

Also worth noting is that you can offset the entire timing curve by minus 5 to plus 5 degrees.

One of the huge advantages particularly to the engine tuner/builder, other than the already mentioned installation time, is the abilty to run two curves and switch between them while you are riding. Say you run 2 very simliar curves or have made a slight adjustment, rather than trying to remember how the ski felt before the changes, you can switch back and forth between them while riding.

Chris

 

[SuperJETT]

Wow, very nice.

 

[MADMAT]

Yea......real nice....should be at least 2 sets coming to Cleveland sometime this Winter.

 

[QJS]

A few more pictures for you.
An engine with one fitted just can't see the electric box well in that picture and the other in the electric box.

As for a cheating racer using one, they wouldn't get away with for very long the performance difference would be there for everyone to see.
Chris

 

[2lick]

Is it a probable question to ask how much ride time you have on one battery?
Or is that to dependent on setup.

Have you designed your own pickup as well?
The msd ones liked to break and fail and are a common problem.

What is the weight of the flywheel?

Thanks!

 

[QJS]

This is impossible to answer because the more RPM you do the more the drain on the battery, fortunately Jet Skis are relatively low reving ( compared to a 2 stroke bike). All I can say is I have never know anyone kill a battery in a day and I have known lots of people use their skis all day and then the next all day without having to charge their battery. We do use quality gel batteries though.

The pick up is ours, it's a hall effect sensor.

I'll let you know on the Flywheel tomorrow when we get to work.