Anyone with type 9 experience

[suva]

I call BS. Just looking at the coupler diameter of the pipes (B and 4 or 9) you can see that the B will let more combustion out quicker. Which leads to more brap out of the hole which no tuner can do without a lot of CC's IMO on a drypipe.

So in that case a Riva Red would have better bottom than a B pipe too, huh?

 

[750SX]

That type 8 looks badass!

 

[Cross]

The chamber that wraps around the tank looks pretty similar to the type 9 I think. Even the stinger section leading off the chamber looks the same. Either way, I set most of my friends' b-pipes to run almost the same as a dry pipe. Dry is good!

I was told that the EME is a reworked Type 9 pipe. Just cut up a bit and turned on its side.

Yea this 8 looks like fun too. Thankfully I will never know if it is a good pipe or not.

I forgot about these. Saw it on Ebay.

I will agree with you on that one MadMat. The type 8 was/is the worst pipe Factory Pipe ever came out with. It and ZERO bottom end and then would rev past the moon. It sure did eat a lot of pistons trying to get it dialed in.

 

[waxhead]

Im not sure they actually believe that bit about the couplet size ??

well i hope they dont anyway

I am keen to see this pipe running and see how well they go

 

[MADMAT]

according to that, an open and short straight pipe would be the best for throttle response right?

No the chamber is also important but in my mind the bigger the manifold end of that chamber the better. To a point. And that point is probably a B coupler diameter in most cases.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

well, im sure you have done you research, and know much about 2stroke exhaust theory...

combine that with your openess to new ideas, and thoughts, and I see very little need to argue about it.

:beerchug:

No the chamber is also important but in my mind the bigger the manifold end of that chamber the better. To a point. And that point is probably a B coupler diameter in most cases.

 

[MADMAT]

Which pipe does everyone want?

Which pipes do they still make?

B's are best. 4s, 8s, and 9s are a waste of time and money and effort.

Of course this is all my opinion but it is formed from the school of hard knocks.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

wrong logic dude.

they dont STILL make only the best pipes...

they STILL make the ones they can turn a profit on...
regardless of performance, fit, or anything else...

How many B pipes did they make last year?
find out, im curious...
I not at ALL impressed with a B pipe on a Superjet.
I think it is 90% HYPE...

Which pipe does everyone want?

Which pipes do they still make?

B's are best. 4s, 8s, and 9s are a waste of time and money and effort.

Of course this is all my opinion but it is formed from the school of hard knocks.

 

[MADMAT]

I guess we have all been fooled then.

I know 3 of the greatest days of my ski life are:

day I sold speedwerx dry (kinda miss it though)

day I sold type 4 (wish I would have kept it and destroyed it for fun)

day I bought 2 new B's

I rode them all and simply bolting a B on changed my brap range to where it should have been all along.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

OK.

following your logic here.

I bought a B pipe.
installed it.

My ski has never been so lame, Ive fawked with it this whole season trying to get it to run as good as it did with the LESSER pipe.

So, Madmat, Who has the correct opinion or take on this?

its either you? or its Me?

or its a totally bigger ballgame...

I guess we have all been fooled then.

I know 3 of the greatest days of my ski life are:

day I sold speedwerx dry (kinda miss it though)

day I sold type 4 (wish I would have kept it and destroyed it for fun)

day I bought 2 new B's

I rode them all and simply bolting a B on changed my brap range to where it should have been all along.

 

[MADMAT]

I bought a B pipe.
installed it.

My ski has never been so lame, Ive fawked with it this whole season trying to get it to run as good as it did with the LESSER pipe.

What is a lesser pipe?

I have yet to hear of ANY tuning problems directly blamed on a B pipe. I have yet to hear of anyone ever switching back from one either.

 

[Watty]

It's the hype that gets you...

You get enough people saying that type 9's are the biz, and all of a sudden everyone wants them, and buys them. The same goes with the b-pipe, and they took off as well as they did because the average Joe can bolt one on and feel a differene without even turning a water screw or carb jet.

Anyone that knows anything about engines wil tell you that there's no such thing as bolt on performance. These same people will understand that a lot of time and effort goes into making something work perfectly. The type 9 is no exception....you won't get much gain by just bolting it on to your b-pipe setup engine.

I am, also, happy to be proven wrong....so I invite anyone out there to do some testing with both pipes.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

I plan to do JUST this.

swapped from coffmans sizzler, to B pipe, just purchased a type 4 dry.. will see how it goes.


this far Coffman sizzler = great power, easy to tune ( bolt it in and run it)

B pipe = struggling with it all spring trying to get it where it needs to be ( at least as powerful as the coffman)... to get here, its HOT as hell, and engine is LEAN as shiat...

It's the hype that gets you...

You get enough people saying that type 9's are the biz, and all of a sudden everyone wants them, and buys them. The same goes with the b-pipe, and they took off as well as they did because the average Joe can bolt one on and feel a differene without even turning a water screw or carb jet.

Anyone that knows anything about engines wil tell you that there's no such thing as bolt on performance. These same people will understand that a lot of time and effort goes into making something work perfectly. The type 9 is no exception....you won't get much gain by just bolting it on to your b-pipe setup engine.

I am, also, happy to be proven wrong....so I invite anyone out there to do some testing with both pipes.

 

[MADMAT]

No such thing as bolt on performance??????

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

well,

according to the B pipe brigade...

the coffman sizzler is LESS of a pipe. or the sheeple would tell you this.

I contest that the sizzler makes at LEAST as much power, and is easier to tune...

but what would I know...
run what you wish MadMat..
just realize, some of us out here are running the same things, and trying different things, and it isnt all bad

What is a lesser pipe?

I have yet to hear of ANY tuning problems directly blamed on a B pipe. I have yet to hear of anyone ever switching back from one either.

 

[MADMAT]

Been there....done that.....

I hate wrenching and tweaking and experimenting....at least at this point in my life. I do it because I have to when I have to and thats it.

I want to hear about this no such thing as bolt on performance.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

from me?

or someone else?

because ive got back to back bolt in and run experience that is NOT in the B pipes favor...

I want to hear about this no such thing as bolt on performance.

 

[MADMAT]

I meant this.

Anyone that knows anything about engines will tell you that there's no such thing as bolt on performance.

Your issue sounds unique IMO.

And I believe that sizzler is probably a pretty darn good pipe. I would take it over any 4 8 or 9 any day.

 

[Mouthfulloflake]

I gotcha

I just think the B pipe is over hyped for what it is, and what it can do...

$700 worth of increased power?

hehe, NO not in my experience....

 

[MADMAT]

I agree they are kinda over priced. Like maybe way over priced.

They should be like 350-400 new IMO.