What adhesive would you use for blowison footstrap inserts????

oxnard111

Creative RE Purchasing
What do you think would be a viable substitute for the "plastic welder" that blowsion sells with their footstrap insert kit? Do you think that JB weld would work? Seems like it would b/c a lot of people say use in when shortening handle poles, which is binding fiber glass to aluminum. Any other ideas? Trying to find what would work well but be the cheapest.

http://www.blowsion.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=4300-400-01

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stuntbikemike

Time to ride
Location
clearwater
the hardware store sells acorn nuts.....a nut welded to a washer.....glass those puppies in and thats all youll need....when i do my strap, thats going to be my method......rode one yesterday....super strong:brap:
 

oxnard111

Creative RE Purchasing
I don't know if "binding" to the metal is the point. Isn't it more like encasement? Or am I wrong?

your guess is as good as mine. i guess I just need to make the insert waterproof, so that it doesn't wet the foam. seems like JB marine would work well.

This stuff looks interesting also. they have 3 minute, 5 min, and 25 min, all with a 24 cure time.

http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/1FBG6
 

Kennay

Squarenose for the _____
Location
Myrtle Beach, SC
The only problem with jb weld is that is doesn't flex at all. None.

The fiberglass around the jb weld will flex, but not the jb weld, and that will equal cracks sooner or later.

I'd go with a strong flexible epoxy adhesive.
 

oxnard111

Creative RE Purchasing
The only problem with jb weld is that is doesn't flex at all. None.

The fiberglass around the jb weld will flex, but not the jb weld, and that will equal cracks sooner or later.

I'd go with a strong flexible epoxy adhesive.

good point. didn't know that about JB. so kennay, what do you think about that grainger stuff i listed above?
 

EvanB85

Team Poseur
Location
Tacoma, WA, USA
In my head, I'm thinking that I would drill a hole, goop it full of epoxy, then run the insert in about halfway, and make sure and goop all around it - ending up with a little mound.

How's that for precise engineering?
 

dbrutherford

Parts Whore
Location
Fairmont, WV
I used Marine Grade JB Weld and put some inserts into my tray on my X2 last summer. I have rode probably 10-15 times with the straps and they are holding up fine.

I used the Jet Lyne old style inserts with the coarse thread on the outside and M6-1.00 on the inside. However I only put one insert into the tray. I felt that if you put two inserts side by side like the Dakines can have that there would be too much fiberglass drilled out for support. So far one insert works fine.

I will recommend this... I drilled my hole. Then I took my dremel and hogged out the foam as much as possible underneath the tray inside the drilled hole. That way I had room for more of the JB Weld. I was hoping for a "JB Weld" nut to form underneath the tray for extra holding power.

Also When I did mine, I had to use a bolt with a nut tightened against the insert to drive them into the tray. Well if you use the Blowsion ones, they have a place for an allen wrench. I would use my method though. The problem I had was JB Welded oozed up into the center of my insert after I took the bolt out. Granted it may not cure fully without exposure to air, I guess it depends on your epoxy. I would have left the bolts in the insert for a day had I known the JB Weld would ooze out. I had to clean the ooze out before it hardened. After I was done, I ran a tap down inside the insert to clean the rest out of teh JB weld from the center of the insert.

To get teh JB weld into the hole, I just used a sandwhich bag and cut the corner off of it. Then I piped in teh JB Weld liek a cake decorator. However once it sealed the hole off some, it didn't just flow right in. I had to use a nail and work it around inside the hole.


BUT! If I had it to do all over again... I would use acorn nuts! No sense in drilling holes into your tray and risking water logged foam. Even though must hulls will get water logged foam anyways... :(
 
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oxnard111

Creative RE Purchasing
I used Marine Grade JB Weld and put some inserts into my tray on my X2 last summer. I have rode probably 10-15 times with the straps and they are holding up fine.

I used the Jet Lyne old style inserts with the coarse thread on the outside and M6-1.00 on the inside. However I only put one insert into the tray. I felt that if you put two inserts side by side like the Dakines can have that there would be too much fiberglass drilled out for support. So far one insert works fine.

I will recommend this... I drilled my hole. Then I took my dremel and hogged out the foam as much as possible underneath the tray inside the drilled hole. That way I had room for more of the JB Weld. I was hoping for a "JB Weld" nut to form underneath the tray for extra holding power.

Also When I did mine, I had to use a bolt with a nut tightened against the insert to drive them into the tray. Well if you use the Blowsion ones, they have a place for an allen wrench. I would use my method though. The problem I had was JB Welded oozed up into the center of my insert after I took the bolt out. Granted it may not cure fully without exposure to air, I guess it depends on your epoxy. I would have left the bolts in the insert for a day had I known the JB Weld would ooze out. I had to clean the ooze out before it hardened. After I was done, I ran a tap down inside the insert to clean the rest out of teh JB weld from the center of the insert.

To get teh JB weld into the hole, I just used a sandwhich bag and cut the corner off of it. Then I piped in teh JB Weld liek a cake decorator. However once it sealed the hole off some, it didn't just flow right in. I had to use a nail and work it around inside the hole.


BUT! If I had it to do all over again... I would use acorn nuts! No sense in drilling holes into your tray and risking water logged foam. Even though must hulls will get water logged foam anyways... :(

the blowsion inserts come with a small set screw in the bottom with wax underneath that so that the adhesive of choice does not ooze back up the hole.
 

dbrutherford

Parts Whore
Location
Fairmont, WV
That is good to know!

What makes me laugh about the Blowsion inserts is I called them before I did my straps and they were like well I don't think that will hold. Now they are selling the pretty much same exact thing I did! Sure I was asking for adivce but I wanted to buy some epoxy from them. They never really told em what to get so one day at Lowe's I saw the JB Weld and said F it, that will work...
 
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