1 week into standup riding, bilge pump failure + out of gas in the channel of LOTO

yamaslut said:
You couldn't be more wrong scott!!!!!
Please disregard Idoks last post


I use the shorter rope just for rough conditions... it doesn't matter what you tow w/ when it's not big or rough.. When the waves are breaking close together, it's impossible to tow w/ a 20ft rope and not sink the ski or get ripped off it.. If the skis are in the same wave and close to each other there won't be lag and the skis will travel together as one unit. You can also travel much faster and can see what is happening w/ the ski and rider... behind you.

yes, definatly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


my rules of towing:
1. always travel paralell to the beach in zig zag lines, to prevent the towed ski from landing on you
2. go as fast as possible w/o loss of control
3. always try to get someone to bring the rider on another ski (it's difficult for some to hold on and it prevents you from having to turn around for anything)
4. always be looking over your shoulder for breaking waves
5. don't listen to Idok :biggrin:

sorry sorry sorry....

I MEANT a long rope for towing OFF THE BEACH........for those days if you get stuck ON SHORE...there are certain times when a shorty rope will NEVER work................but again, this is only if you get stuck ON SHORE (this could also be constidered more of an 'extraction,' and noit just a tow)

otherwise the shorty is king......Ill never go back to a long tow rope.....






other than that, pay close attn: to #5 on nicks list......it could save your life! :biggrin:
 
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yamaslut

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Idok said:
sorry sorry sorry....

I MEANT a long rope for towing OFF THE BEACH........for those days if you get stuck ON SHORE...there are certain times when a shorty rope will NEVER work................but again, this is only if you get stuck ON SHORE (this could also be constidered more of an 'extraction,' and noit just a tow)

otherwise the shorty is king......Ill never go back to a long tow rope.....






other than that, pay close attn: to #5 on nicks list......it could save your life! :biggrin:

lol...:highhorse:
 

BlowStuffUp

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its funny to watch the flat water guys tow back, because it seems like theyre going slow enough to legally be in a no wake zone. usually whenever i or someone in our group gets towed back were goin fast enough to both stand up and be comfortable.

i say if youre getting towed behind a ski, i prefer to have a real short rope. even in big surf, because then the guy getting towed doesnt get rocked (guy doing the towing makes the wave, but the guy getting towed is so far back that he gets rocked.) its also to have a short rope so that you dont get all that spray up in your face from the ski in front of you.

although, i was talking to someone about this and he said a short rope is cool and all, but you can get back flow or something like that into your motor, i didnt really know what he was talking about, i just nodded and gave him a high five for the tow back.
 
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yamaslut

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its funny to watch the flat water guys tow back, because it seems like theyre going slow enough to legally be in a no wake zone. usually whenever i or someone in our group gets towed back were goin fast enough to both stand up and be comfortable.

i say if youre getting towed behind a ski, i prefer to have a real short rope. even in big surf, because then the guy getting towed doesnt get rocked (guy doing the towing makes the wave, but the guy getting towed is so far back that he gets rocked.) its also to have a short rope so that you dont get all that spray up in your face from the ski in front of you.

although, i was talking to someone about this and he said a short rope is cool and all, but you can get back flow or something like that into your motor, i didnt really know what he was talking about, i just nodded and gave him a high five for the tow back.

I'm with you... top speed towing....

4' rope so you are always on the same wave together... It would be disaster w/ a long rope
 

michael950

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So what of the rumors about water entering the ski while being towed, that is why I was told tis best to tow slow?

I do understand in surf, but wouldn't the same thing happen? or does the impeller have to be turning for cooling water to enter the motor?
 

Matt_E

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Towing a Superjet faster than 1.5mph :rolleyes: = water in the cylinders.

As long as you're aware of that, great.

I do understand in surf, but wouldn't the same thing happen? or does the impeller have to be turning for cooling water to enter the motor?

I'm no jetpump expert (WAD?), but I suspect the water flowing through the pump above a certain speed/pressure will force itself into the cooling passages. Whether the impeller turns or not.
 
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yamaslut

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Towing a Superjet faster than 1.5mph :rolleyes: = water in the cylinders.

As long as you're aware of that, great.



I'm no jetpump expert (WAD?), but I suspect the water flowing through the pump above a certain speed/pressure will force itself into the cooling passages. Whether the impeller turns or not.


that is the biggest pile of crap I've read in a while... my ski must be the only that doesn't then...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

have ya heard of the venturi effect???? why wouldn't that happen since water is flowing by an opening at a high rate... I say it will draw water out of the lines...

also, if that was the case the water being forced into your cooling system would flow out the pissers, not fill the cylinders... maybe if water was forced up the exhaust, but it's being drawn out of there by the same principal
 

djkorn1

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I'll have to try the short rope thing. We always use like 20-25 feet of rope to tow....

If it's flat I can usually stand on my ski with no hands and just chill, but in the waves, I hold on for dear life... we have to tow back to the ramps and the waves only get bigger the farther you go out. The great lakes are soooooooo different from the ocean.
 

Matt_E

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that is the biggest pile of crap I've read in a while... my ski must be the only that doesn't then...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

have ya heard of the venturi effect???? why wouldn't that happen since water is flowing by an opening at a high rate... I say it will draw water out of the lines...

also, if that was the case the water being forced into your cooling system would flow out the pissers, not fill the cylinders... maybe if water was forced up the exhaust, but it's being drawn out of there by the same principal

EDIT: So I've edited this a few times now. Slutty, you were either drunk or having a brainfart when stating that was the biggest pile of crap you've read in a while.
So....tell me about this venturi effect you're talking about. You're basically stating that when towing a Superjet, the water being forced through the jet pump will in fact extract water from the cooling circuits.
When the engine runs and the impeller forces water through the pump, the cooling circuit works normally, right? So tell me...at which point does the cooling flow reverse direction?
What exactly is the difference between forced waterflow through the pump due to impeller rotation and forced waterflow due to towing?
I can only speak from experience for the four Superjets that I regularly work on, but I have an inkling of an idea that yours is not exempt from the laws of physics either.
If you tow a Superjet fast enough for long enough, the exhaust/waterbox will fill with water to the point of introducing water to the engine.
This is true for most any PWC out there.
It can be avoided by a) towing slow, b) towing short distances, or c) pinching off the cooling inlet line.

Unless you got some clown cooling system, I am right.

So...if you're still insisting on this being a pile of crap, let's bet money on it. It would be easy cash for me. :haha:

PS Water doesn't have to fill the cylinders, they're already full. If you tow fast enough, you will indeed have some small flow through the pisser. In most cases, the stinger water outlet is lower, so more flow will go there. That's why you don't see much, if any, from the pisser.
 
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BlowStuffUp

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the faster a fluid (anything that flows) is going the lower the pressure it is at. so the water flowing by the cooling line should be at a lower pressure than the cooling line, because its moving faster than the air in the line. but then again i can see how it could happen because we are comparing liquids to gasses.
 
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