Opinions on best carb for freestyle

GIL

GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
Location
Cullman AL
SJ 701X said:
How come all of these carbs are annular discharge I was reading a groupk tuning guide and it said annular discharge carbs are bad for low end because you can't get the correct velocity through them consistently and that the bomb sight style carbs are better. Any input on this?
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If you ever want any happiness in your life you WILL quit reading Group Kmart's B.S. !!! You need to figure out who the smart people are here on the X and listen to them.

As far as carbs go, Sjetrider said it best, the best carbs are the ones that you KNOW you can get great support with!!!
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
yes they sell them here. They are a good carb. But the question was about the best carb. In my experience the black jack is not anywhere as near as good as the novi
 
Vumad

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
GroupK is not reliable source of information? Or too racing based to be freestyle? or both?

I did notice some of there testing strategies were kind of silly and impractical. More of a weekend warrior high speed straight runs kind of testing than a performance race or freestyle deal.
 
GIL

GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
Location
Cullman AL
waxhead said:
yes they sell them here. They are a good carb. But the question was about the best carb. In my experience the black jack is not anywhere as near as good as the novi
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So are you saying you don't know how to tune BJ's or are you saying that Art is too smart to mess with you?
 
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SJ 701X

Location
In a hole
GIL said:
If you ever want any happiness in your life you WILL quit reading Group Kmart's B.S. !!! You need to figure out who the smart people are here on the X and listen to them.

As far as carbs go, Sjetrider said it best, the best carbs are the ones that you KNOW you can get great support with!!!
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I didn't argue a point that anybody made, I just asked a question. Geez. Excuse me while I remove gil from my throat because he was so quick to jump down it.
 
GIL

GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
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Cullman AL
Vumad said:
GroupK is not reliable source of information? Or too racing based to be freestyle? or both?

I did notice some of there testing strategies were kind of silly and impractical. More of a weekend warrior high speed straight runs kind of testing than a performance race or freestyle deal.
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Group K has some seriously mis-guided thoughts about the way things should be!
 
GIL

GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
Location
Cullman AL
Here are the facts,

IF you tell Art your COMPLETE setup and then buy carbs from him, you don't have to know how to tune them. Art sends them to you, you bolt them on, and you have perfection!!!


Oh, and did I mention they are ALOT cheaper than Novi's and Full Spec's?
 
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waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
GIL said:
Here are the facts,

IF you tell Art your COMPLETE setup and then buy carbs from him, you don't have to know how to tune them. Art sends them to you, you bolt them on, and you have perfection!!!
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How does he account for realitive air density for people in different locations Gil ??. Or do Black jacks magically not suffer from changes in air density like every other carb does. Do you go down to your ride spot and measure the water temp so he can know the exact temp your engine runs at in those conditions. The fact that you think he can set a carb up to run perfectly over the phone really tells a story about what you are happy to accept as perfection.
 
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Vumad

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
You guys are arguing over carburetors like they are your children being beat up for their lunch money at school.

It's a carburetor... seriously, no need for a bitch fest.

Agree to disagree and let it go. They are both good. There can be no best because the subject of best is based on the view of the person making the claim. For many of you, best is w/e makes the most power. For me, best is whatever makes good power with the best reliability.

OP didn't even post his motor. Could be running a big bore 701 and a set of well tuned 38mm carbs could be best, because price, reliability, availability, and so forth, are all factors in "best".
 
Vumad

Vumad

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Location
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Based on his sig and the 1st post in his build, which I didn't read the whole thing...

txsuperjetfreak96 said:
Fixing to start my winter build, I got everything pulled out. I got the hull weighed w/ oneway valve, aluminum pump shoe,foot holds, still turfed, with extended turfed rails, 121.4 pds, Hood w/home made hood liner, hand holds and breather tubes, 21.4 pds, handle pole with blowsion turnplate, bars and umi aluminum pole bracket 19.6 pds, The hull seems to b a lil heavy but not sure what a good stock hull weight is suppose to b. My plan is to shorten 3 in, defoam, Possibly makeing my oneway valve pump dump, and thinking bout pump dumping exhaust, not sure bout the exhaust. reinforce engine compartment, widden the tray, go with some adjustable foot holds. And possibly lowering stock hood, would like to go aftermarket hood, but will have to c how money situation goes, also wanting to get one of jet maniacs engines. Im also thinking of reshapeing the gunwales, maybe like a superfreak, Or possible like the lightweight hull,


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Best would be that 38's, because that's what your potential engine builder says you should run, and you should put the carb money towards the engine work. A $1700 771BB doesn't much justify a $1500 set of carbs. Not dissing JM motor, I love the guy and think everyone should buy from him, but bang for the buck is part of "best".

The best carb is w/e your builder tells you to run considering your overall package and price range.

I don't know which carb is "Best", but I know common sense, and I know budget.

Unless you were just looking for a theoretical debate on something you don't plan to buy just for curiosity sake or :):):):) stirring... then w/e. I say the 28mm X2 keihen is best because you will save money on fuel.
 
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GIL

GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
Location
Cullman AL
waxhead said:
How does he account for realitive air density for people in different locations Gil ??. Or do Black jacks magically not suffer from changes in air density like every other carb does. Do you go down to your ride spot and measure the water temp so he can know the exact temp your engine runs at in those conditions. The fact that you think he can set a carb up to run perfectly over the phone really tells a story about what you are happy to accept as perfection.
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I don't have to tell him the air quality. My air qaulity is in my fuel numbnuts! I run VP CHP that has 15% oxygenation!!! People kill me, they will spend 30k building a ski and then run av gas or pump gas.......
 
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