144mm FX1 PUMP

waxhead

wannabe backflipper
Location
gold coast
The smaller pump is what requires the higher pitch
i would go for a std sort of thing like an inpros cut back free ride pump

the 144 moves alot of water slowly
the 122 moves not much water faster
thats the reason behind the higher pitch

and also the reason why the 144 hits hard down low
 

just joe

Site Supporter
Location
NorCal
I have an FX1 with the stock pump shoe and a 144 pump shoe on my bench, and both pumps, and have been studying this for some time now.

Relating to pump losses, the 144mm pump with a 122.5mm shoe will not be efficient. There is a large low pressure area immediatley behind the shoe, leaving the most important area of the blades, the tips, in a state of cavitation, principally for the first blade, that increases with RPM. Someone in another post mentioned that a 1% loss of efficiency in the pump was like a 10% reduction in HP. Not sure about the absolute numbers, but the theory is valid, and supported by all those who meticulously seal their pumps, grates, and ride plates.

You can improve this tip cavitation by moving the blades as far back toward the stator as possible, and milling the stock shoe to it's max (130mm's +/- 1mm). But it still will not be as efficient as the 144mm pump in the SJ hull.

What I can't tell you is how much better a lower efficiency 144 pump may be over an optimized 122mm pump for your purpose and riding style. I just know that the pump performance will not be nearly as good (mathematically - this is key) as the SJ unless you use the SJ shoe, and open the intake to match the shoe. The smallest diameter in a system is always the limiting factor on mass flow with an uncompressable fluid.

Perhaps in potentially charging a customer a small fortune for a modified pump and shaft, someone realized that the gain may not be worth it for most people, or the work required to really take advantage of it may be more than most people can manage. I would also offer that if the FX-1 is stock or lightly modified, the pump mod will do little if nothing more than the right prop, milled exit nozzle, and a cone in the 122mm could do for bottom end. Also, taking off a stock plastic shoe on a SJ is far easier than getting the aluminum stock shoe off the FX-1. On the FX-1, I don't think it's possible to remove the shoe without glasswork in an area that is difficult to contour and sand (been there, doing that). However, if you decide to try, a torch and a rubber mallet can be a good friend (keep a fire extinguisher close as well, resin burns).

I think that just getting the pump to bolt up and lining up the steering is the easier part of this mod (no offense to the pump converters out there).

But like I mentioned earlier, a 144mm pump with a 130mm shoe may still be better than the 122mm stock pump/shoe IF the pump is the limiting factor in your ski, and/or you are really after bottom end with a potentially significant sacrifice in high RPM performance, as the low pressure region in the 144mm pump with a 130mm shoe grows with RPM. I would most definately suggest that anyone considering this mod mill or port the stock shoe to 130mm's. And since the stock shoe is tough to get off, porting it with a dremel and stone may be best.

-Joe
 

FX-6.9 Boy

VILLIGE IDIOT
We built my 144 fx pump 5 years ago....for 4 of those years, I left the stock intake and pump shoe in....I simply used a grinder to open up the stock shoe a bit and give the h2o a smoother transition into the bigger pump....It was a huge improvement in power and handling....This past spring I went ahead and increased intake to accept a Riva sj grate and pulled the stock pump shoe and increased the size for a 144 shoe.....what we discovered is that you don't want to use the plastic oem shoe....you want to use an aluminum shoe and cut the top portion off until it lines up correctly...as far as getting the shoe out, it's not that bad,,we didn't tear up anything.....it has even more bottom and top end power now....my riding buddies all have the same 760 ss setup on engines in their sj's, we all run the same ignition same same same....they can't touch this boat off the line or on top end....and that's all I have to say about that..........
 
We built my 144 fx pump 5 years ago....for 4 of those years, I left the stock intake and pump shoe in....I simply used a grinder to open up the stock shoe a bit and give the h2o a smoother transition into the bigger pump....It was a huge improvement in power and handling....This past spring I went ahead and increased intake to accept a Riva sj grate and pulled the stock pump shoe and increased the size for a 144 shoe.....what we discovered is that you don't want to use the plastic oem shoe....you want to use an aluminum shoe and cut the top portion off until it lines up correctly...as far as getting the shoe out, it's not that bad,,we didn't tear up anything.....it has even more bottom and top end power now....my riding buddies all have the same 760 ss setup on engines in their sj's, we all run the same ignition same same same....they can't touch this boat off the line or on top end....and that's all I have to say about that..........


bring that bitch to daytona...........Ill have my fx there with stock everything (except a bpipe) and skat 19/24 prop....

maybe we can compare?
 

FX-6.9 Boy

VILLIGE IDIOT
I'd love to,but I don't think they allow poor white trash from Texas across the state lines....:biggthumpup:
 

WaveDemon

Not Dead - Notable Member
Location
Hell, Florida
how hard would it be to duplicate an SJ intake/mounting area with fiberglass and place it in the fx1? It can't be that bad, it's just glass work.
 

just joe

Site Supporter
Location
NorCal
it has even more bottom and top end power now....my riding buddies all have the same 760 ss setup on engines in their sj's, we all run the same ignition same same same....they can't touch this boat off the line or on top end....and that's all I have to say about that..........

I completely agree that you should get a huge improvement with a mod motor and the 144mm pump with the 144mm shoe, over the stock pump set-up. Absolutely should waste a same same same sj due to weight and hull size/shape (resistance) alone.

Did you run them with the bored out FX-1 shoe before you switched to the SJ shoe? If you did and kept up or beat them, then it proves that the losses I can calculate aren't significant to the losses from the larger SJ hull or other factors. The pump still isn't as efficient mathmatically, but it may not be significant enough to effect performance. However, to really know this, your prop and your buddy's props all need to be ideal for their pump and motor, which may mean you would have had different props if you had the bored shoe and they had a 144mm shoe.

However, if you couldn't keep up in acceleration or top speed, then it proves that the pump losses are significant when using the 130mm shoe, and to take full advantage of the 144mm pump, a 144mm shoe should be used.

Either way, a 130mm shoe allows an 8% increase in the mass of water over the 122mm shoe, so I would also agree that this is significant.
 

FX-6.9 Boy

VILLIGE IDIOT
:biggrin: whoah, wait a minute...I'm just a dumb redneck that knows how to cram stuff together, weld it up real nice and make it work in my boat.....that's way too technical for me...I'll reword it "my pump in my boat kicks a$$"...that's about as technical as I get.....as far as whippin' their boats beforehand, the answer is NO, not until the 144 pump was installed...:biggrin:
 
To all haters, spectators, aka peanut gallery....................

The first SJ conversion pump that Blowsion got there hands on was one that FX-6.9 Boy and I made as a gift for John at Blowsion in 2002. If anyone wants to know why they won't give a price out its probably because of stuff like this. Every time someone makes a new product all the haters come out of the woodwork and have to put their two cents in. I offer a drop in pump that is a HUGE improvement over the stock pump. If you want to buy one that is fine. If you don't thats fine too. I have tried to answer everyones questions via PM, but I will not tell you how to build it. It took several years and a lot of cash for us to find out the correct combination for the pump and I won't just give that away. I have rode FX-6.9 Boy's boat, I have the exact same motor in my square................no comparison, hands down, the FX-1 will kick the living poop out of my boat. Just my two cents.
 

just joe

Site Supporter
Location
NorCal
I am not saying it wouldn't be a significant improvement. I am just saying that if you decide to do it, you need to go all the way and put the 144mm shoe in, or you won't get the max benefit.

I'll put my calculator away now.


That's all... and I do want to try want one :fingersx:

'do the shoe' :Banane01:
 
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Flash-FX

No Square..No Round..FX-1
Yes, making the intake area the same as a SJ is the best way. The problem being not everyone would be up to cutting the bottom of their boat apart. If they don't want to do that it is still a significant improvement over the stock pump. Thats all...................nothing else.

Thats right...It will be a major improvement. I just finished the 144 pump mod in my FX-1 just 1 day before the Rager. The route I took was the "Hack up and re-work" the bottom to create a mold. After a long stare at the "make the pump fit" route...I decided against it. Check the pic for diameter/fit/ sizing.:bigeyes: A little off.
Just making the pump fit in would be ok, but I felt the graft would not be as efficient or as light as it needs to be. The stock FX is made with your standard cheezy Heavy "boat cloth" weave and cheap polyester resin. (It breaks real easy). My factory FX bottom had a hard life, it was worn very thin (100's of beach landings and like every ski,waterlogged) and needed replacement or serious work anyway.

The first ride hookup was like "direct drive" compared to the standard FX-1 pump....Why did I wait so long??:banghead: This project took 2 years to finish.....Time to dial it in and re-learn how to ride!:cheer:

Where were you guys 2 years ago? The $650.00 pump mod is a deal.
 

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