****FREESTYLE STRUCTURE***** need input from all

[Big Kahuna]

IMO #1 is a shiety deal.....you can only do so much on a limited ski. At least allow some power! Pat has proved that the right rider can rip on a Amerature class legal ski.

Jeremy Parr won the 2004 Nationals AM Freestyle on a stock hull, stock cylinders, Screwed up JSS modified 38mm carbs, stock hood even........ You dont have to have all the bling to go out there and kick some booty.

 

[WAB]

Maybe a beginner class AND amature? Let the beginner class compete for next to nothing..... (Low entry fee)
Somebody with a pimped 800-1000cc motor, a/f hull, who has prolly been riding years and years does fit the true definition of 'amature'.

 

[Matt_E]

Jeremy Parr won the 2004 Nationals AM Freestyle on a stock hull, stock cylinders, Screwed up JSS modified 38mm carbs, stock hood even........ You dont have to have all the bling to go out there and kick some booty.

Very true. However, there are lots of folks out there whose ski would fall above those limits.
I am willing to bet that #2 would fit the bill for most freestylers/freeriders, and still not be so far removed from #1 as to make those guys unable to win at all.

 

[tom21]

I'm liking the #1 and #2 for guys like me(nubes)I hope to improve and go to a 760 and maybe work that over after some time.
how many of the peeps on here are runnin 900, 1000cc engines. lots or a handfull?

 

[tom21]

Whats in pancake petes and what is in yours slut?

 

[yamaslut]

Whats in pancake petes and what is in yours slut?

I'm legal for option 2

760cc w/ porting and stock hull


pete has aftermarket hull, 6mm stroker, 780cc or so, I think
so he would be option 4

 

[Big Kahuna]

Very true. However, there are lots of folks out there whose ski would fall above those limits.
I am willing to bet that #2 would fit the bill for most freestylers/freeriders, and still not be so far removed from #1 as to make those guys unable to win at all.

#2 is basically what is suppose to be run now..............

 

[Big Kahuna]

I'm legal for option 2

760cc w/ porting and stock hull


pete has aftermarket hull, 6mm stroker, 780cc or so, I think
so he would be option 4

motor wise he is inside the current rules............ Mod Class engine rules.

Hull, yes, it aftermarket but it is a brick!!!!!!!! No advantage there!

 

[Matt_E]

See, that's the thing. We can come with rules & revolutions to no end.
We need consistent enforcement of those rules.

 

[yamaslut]

motor wise he is inside the current rules............ Mod Class engine rules.

Hull, yes, it aftermarket but it is a brick!!!!!!!! No advantage there!

yeah... but technically it's aftermarket.

 

[michael950]

I am between classes (@ school), and skimming the threads but I am glad to see us taking initiative on these issues.

With the turnouts at the rides we have been expereincing, I think we can make a great impact on the PWC f/s circuit. We seem to be doing well with promotion, exposure, and turnout; so I think it would be great if we can make f/s competition actually competitive.

 

[Matt_E]

motor wise he is inside the current rules............ Mod Class engine rules.

Hull, yes, it aftermarket but it is a brick!!!!!!!! No advantage there!

You could write an exception to the AM hull/deck rule that places a weight limit.
I.E., stock hull, but if you do have an AM hull/topdeck, it must weigh at least XXX lbs.

 

[yamaslut]

See, that's the thing. We can come with rules & revolutions to no end.
We need consistent enforcement of those rules.

looks to me so far that we just need the slack asses to enforce what we already have as rules

 

[yamaslut]

I am between classes (@ school), and skimming the threads but I am glad to see us taking initiative on these issues.

With the turnouts at the rides we have been expereincing, I think we can make a great impact on the PWC f/s circuit. We seem to be doing well with promotion, exposure, and turnout; so I think it would be great if we can make f/s competition actually competitive.

exactly bro...

 

[tom21]

so not a lot of guys running over 800cc? and if they are they would not fall into the amature catagory right? I mean how many guys have no skill and just go out and buy a boat from Malone or Lenzi or LPW?

 

[Waste Land]

Pro class...run what you brung!

Am class...leave the current rules AND STICK WITH THEM! "no A/M hulls" unless you just want to perticepate for fun....no podium/trophy spots for cheater boats, but they can still compete.

BAM! Theres wes goes

 

[Marshj]

We do need consistent enforcement. The rules need to be changed though, and THEN Consistently enforced. Someone stated in another thread about how the rules have been neglected so now we cant start enforcing them. If new rules were impossed with new classes, it would give a starting point to enforce them from.

 

[Marshj]

I think no matter the weight. If it says no aftermarket hulls, we have to stick to that. Weather its a surf monster or not. That is where the line must be drawn.

If an expert class is created, it should allow aftermarket hulls.

 

[tom21]

so what is the main beef here? that pro guys are running in am or that am guys have sick boats giving them an advantage?

 

[Matt_E]

I think no matter the weight. If it says no aftermarket hulls, we have to stick to that. Weather its a surf monster or not. That is where the line must be drawn.

If an expert class is created, it should allow aftermarket hulls.

The point of an Aftermarket hull in freestyle is weight. In surf, it's mostly strength.
In order to accomodate the limited number of riders interested (i.e., Pete!), a weight limit exception on AM hulls could provide for that.
However, taking into account the inconsistent rule enforcement and downright bone-headedness of tech inspectors, the no am hull rule might be easier to enforce.

And please don't try creating more classes. All this division is deadly to competition, imho.
Yes, lines need to be drawn, but we don't need a f'n labyrinth.