Freestyle Timing total loss configuartion

[ATB]

Hello.

I have a total loss and I really do not quite understand.

I have dasa engine 1100, I am Spanish and the translation of the instructions is not easy.

I have several questions that make you, I'd be very grateful if someone could help me.

I do not understand the meaning of max timing, I have set the magnetic plate at 27 degrees, the switch if I put the total loss at -5 I take those 27 grades 5 and I left at 22 degrees? for it serves?

this is the configuration that I have given them to the engine dasa 1100

30 Degrees on initial timing

5000 start retarding timing

9000 Rev Limit

-15 Degrees take away (what its this switch for -15 degress)


thanks

pd: more later i send picture my configuration,i think its not good,the jet ski in low speed its not good

 

[ATB]

pictures

 

[Christian_83]

Hi ATB
Yes you are right about the "MAX timing" this setting, is for fine "tuning" your ignition timing advance, like your said - if you set your initial/static timing at 30 degrees before TDC, you can adjust it from switch 1, s6, s7,s8 from MAX timing (30deg) to -7 deg (giving to total advance of 30 - 7deg = 23deg)

Im assuming the timing data is from DASA Racing, as i got some that are quite similar.

30 deg initial timing/ static timing, is the timing you set with your trigger plate by rotating the flywheel clockwise, and note the first time the LED (on the brain) comes note, note the TDC marker on crankcase, where it points on the flywheel marks (0-40deg)

The start retarding timing, is the point in the RPM Band, where the ignition starts to pull back the timing advance (retarding it) and 5000 rpm is pretty normal setting.

The rev limit, is the point where the igintion cuts off the ignition (just like a car or mc)

The "MAX retard +15deg" is named HSR curve on the newer brain, and caused me some headace, because its named "max retard +15 deg" on "older" brains with same model nr.
but it should add 15 degrees off ekstra retarding (pulling back the igntion) in the last 1000 rpm before the rev limit.

The max speed retard, determines how much you timing should be retarded, from your static setting (you said your static timing was 27 deg) and your max speed retard is set a 8/23 taking 8deg from the 27deg giving you 21 deg advance AFTER your retard start at 5000 rpm.
having your rev limit at 7750rpm BUT you are adding +4000rpm at MAX/min rev limit, so ending up at 11750rpm, that sounds a BIT high I would change the RPM limit to 9000 rpm, And MAX/min Rev limit OFF.
What exhaust are you running with your engine, and what compression are the engine at? (and what fuel are you running) ?
Hope you understand some of this, as im just returned from a party haha

 

[SUPERTUNE]

any person have configuration for dasa 1100??

thanks

To all of those that view this post...
I don't post much here anymore from the lack of respect to others. (including being directed @me and @xscream)

ATB has bad settings, no one apparently understands his settings!
Do you see that he has Switch 1, S1 on and S5 on?
He is running a straight flat curve!
His Retard Begin Speed is set @ 9000 RPM's!
(with his Rev Limiter set @11,750!)

I'm not sure if he set his static at 30* or 27* degrees from reading his post.
But he does have the max timing set at -5, so he is running either 25* or 22* degrees for static.


ATB,
Use Christians_83 settings.
Set static @ 30* degrees with the following settings.

Switch 3
Retard begin speed. 5000 S1 off - S2 on - S3 off
Max speed rev limit. 9000 S5 on - S6 on - S7off - S8on

Switch 2
Holeshot (all off) S1 off - S2 off - S3 off - S4 off
Max speed retard. 29* S5 off - S6 on - S7 on - S8 on

Switch 1
Max timing (all on) S6 on - S7 on - S8 on
Max/Min Revlimit S1 off
Max Retard/Max retard + 15* S2 on
Elec start S3 on
Start retard S4 on
Retard begin RPM +4000 S5 off

Chuck 'SUPERTUNE' Quenzler III
Xscream

 

[D-Roc]

No one understands msd TL but you chuck? How about no one understands what the Heck this guy is talking about due to language barrier. Respect given when earned.

 

[SUPERTUNE]

No one understands msd TL but you chuck? How about no one understands what the Heck this guy is talking about due to language barrier. Respect given when earned.

D Roc,
What do you see when you look at this?
No language barrier needed...


Respectfully,
Chuck 'SUPERTUNE' Quenzler III

 

[lerott]

Thank you chuck

 

[lerott]

I'm going to install the msd tl and this thread answer me the question how to setup my ignition. Now I just need to find a good curve for my application.

 

[WFO Speedracer]

To all of those that view this post...
I don't post much here anymore from the lack of respect to others. (including being directed @me and @xscream)
Chuck 'SUPERTUNE' Quenzler III
Xscream

Poor Charlie Brown !

 

[Jayski]

D Roc,
What do you see when you look at this?
No language barrier needed...
View attachment 192284

Respectfully,
Chuck 'SUPERTUNE' Quenzler III

Good read/great help thanks chuck.

 

[D-Roc]

I see a bunch of switches flicked by what could be another Rich flat water backflip wannabe without much mechanical knowledge. That's not really what I was referring to though. The part about respect and how your post comes across like no one could see a problem with his switches is what got my attention. The language barrier to explain the total loss to this guy is what the real challenge is. Flicking the switches to the correct setting can be done by lots of people. It does not do much to help the guy in the future when he needs to change anything. What's that saying about give a man a fish?

 

[ATB]

thanks for the advice friends.

I see all the configuration is wrong and it is impossible to make a back fripe
with this engine and this configuration


The fuel I use is 98 0ctanos, THE COMPRESION ITS 11 KILOgrams,the exhaust power factor, Novi carburetors 48 (not sure if this well, I've main jet and pilot jet 120 2.5 125 spring needle 115 grams.

I need help, because in Spain nobody knows what such motores.todo you can say is I thank you.
Now I put video dle today.

 

[D-Roc]

Can you contact the Spanish number on this page to see if the can help you understand the instructions?
http://www.msdpower.com/index.php

Here is a link I use but you still need some knowledge on the systems' operation. http://apps.msdignition.com/cgi-bin/timingretard.pl?html_link=calculator

 

[ATB]

Can you contact the Spanish number on this page to see if the can help you understand the instructions?
http://www.msdpower.com/index.php

Here is a link I use but you still need some knowledge on the systems' operation. http://apps.msdignition.com/cgi-bin/timingretard.pl?html_link=calculator

you do not know what I mean?? I think he understood what supertune if I asked

 

[D-Roc]

I am loosing you. But if you found Your static/initial timing and set the switches as supertune described, you will be good. As long as you set the static/initial timing correctly.

 

[ATB]

OK. I put the ignition to 30 degrees to 98 octane fuel not? now i have the settings at 27 degrees.y of supertune wear?

 

[D-Roc]

You need to set magnet plate to pickup max timing for 30 or greater. You cannot add timing with switches. You can retard/remove upto 7 degrees with switches. Let me know if you understand this.

I have my magnet plate at 33 but use switches on Max timing to remove/retard -1. My static/initial timing is now set for 32 degrees. I cannot go higher than 33 or less than 26 unless I turn magnetic plate.

 

[ATB]

ok.

perfectamente.thanks understand.

you think 160 psi for 98 STI fuel compression and 30 degress correct?

 

[D-Roc]

If that is what your dasa specs are then yes. 98 octane is good for 160-195 psi.
You need to know how many degrees to pull out of your static/initial timing at the 9000 rpm limiter. You cannot run 30 degree straight timing as supertune said. Using the calculator timing tool you need to know a safe degree of timing at a specific rpm, to prevent detonation. (engine knock ping dieseling) for example:
30 static
4500 retard begin speed
9000 rpm speed limit
Desired 17 degrees at 7000 rpm

This is an example. Get the timing spec direct from Dasa if possible.

 

[GIL]

Did someone open the door for me??? LOL

Chucky, it's ok for you to call me by name.

It is very obvious that instead of you and Pat pounding your chests here on the X all the time about how great your stuff is has come to a end AND you two have turned that time into building GREAT products for all of us to enjoy!

I have a X Metal adj pole on my ski now WITH a big azz X Scream sticker on it because I believe it IS the best pole on the market today! Much lighter than the competition and much more affordable!

I have had the pleasure of riding a couple of your 1200 motors and I am speechless!!! Your 1000 motor left me wondering where the bang for the buck was, HOWEVER
the 1200 is the most underpriced engine on the planet! Words cannot and will not describe the power that engine puts out. It is absolutley insane! The only comparison I can think of would be mounting a handle pole and bars to the roof of John Force's funny car and pretending that you are going to hang on to it!!!

Anyway, keep up the great work and let your work speak for itself as you have been for the last year or so. Anyone that rides any of your new stuff will do all the free advertising you could ever want.

Gil