The New Freestyle Direction

[jetskier79]

I like to run my mouth.

 

[RoyalFlush@PCB]

right, exactly like i said. and those seem to be the people who talk the most bs and hate on everything.

i hate the people who cant/dont race, cant/dont freestyle, cant/dont freeride, but wanna run their stupid mouths all day on the internet bagging on the guys who do. i dont think so. :bs2:

Can't people have an opinion here in the good ole' US of A?!?

Just because someone doesn't compete or isn't the best rider doesn't mean they have NOTHING to contribute to some of these discussions.

P.S. :haha: for the "rodeo clown" comment. That cracked me up!

On topic: I'm liking this thread, as well. Regardless of being "just" a spectator and rec rider, I too like to see the freestyle/freeride movement going where it is. I like the idea of "Unlimited" for the Pros and "Limited" in terms of both motor and hull for the Ams.

 

[Rickster]

right, exactly like i said. and those seem to be the people who talk the most bs and hate on everything.

i hate the people who cant/dont race, cant/dont freestyle, cant/dont freeride, but wanna run their stupid mouths all day on the internet bagging on the guys who do. i dont think so. :bs2:

Who is talking bs or hate Saki? Nobody on this thread that I have read is...:lightning:

It's a discussion , that's all....:bigeyes:

 

[Rickster]

On topic: I'm liking this thread, as well. Regardless of being "just" a spectator and rec rider, I too like to see the freestyle/freeride movement going where it is. I like the idea of "Unlimited" for the Pros and "Limited" in terms of both motor and hull for the Ams.

The problem is, that without fans there are no professionals, so I would think that the voice of the fan would be the biggest voice!

 

[Glory_Freestyle]

point taken....


that was my thinking

I can see your side. For example, from 1997-2000. Steve Taylor, or I would win Region 4 and go to Finals. There were at least 3 or 4 new guys who started showing up and competing, they had very little mods, were really just learning how to put a routine together and didn't really know a lot about the competition side. After 2 or 3 comps, they got discouraged and just stopped showing up because they didn't like getting 4th or 5th, etc.. The sad thing is that they all had potential and could very well have become good competitors.

 

[Dollar Bill]

Maybe it's time to break Amateur into Novice and Expert after all of these years. Limit novice to basic mods like a head, pipe, prop, and grate. Let Experts run under the current Amateur rules, and make it anything goes for Pro.

The problem I see with this is that there isn't enough participation to fill the Amateur class today. That might change if novice-level riders didn't have to go up against the big-money setups in Amateur, but who knows?

 

[hobbyz]

i agree with Jr on that one slut.

its like racing.. show up to a race that has too many classes and youll understand.. 12-14 stock, 12-14 stock with stickers and hood kit, 12-14 stock with stickers-hood kit and footholds, 12-14 footholds and bpipe, 12-14 MSD Open, 12-14 ... you get the point.. :smile:

I happen to disagree with this issue, sorry Jr and Saki. I am at the ENTRY level of the sport... as in, I can stand up and turn maybe a sub :banghead:

I rode MX for a while and we had a good setup for classes and it seemed that almost ANYONE could compete (although there were TONS of people that raced bikes and I know not as many people are in this sport)... I competed in Amatuer D-Class (I think that's right), the class was made up of entry level riders and it was for FUN. And if you were good, you moved up fast. You didn't have to have 10-15k in a bike to compete.

Originally Posted by yamaslut
just make it a completely different classes...



freestyle limited - cc limitations, hull mod limitations... no aftermarket hulls, top decks, pumps, or stokers. just re-inforcements and big bores.. lowered hoods, poles, and footholds are acceptable

freestyle unlimited/superstock - no motor limitations, no hull limitations, ride what ya got as hard as you can. Do whatever style of tricks you like...

if it was set up like this, people would feel more like they have a chance. There would be a place for smooth consistant type of riding that so many people like to see... Not just some superhuman w/ a $40,000 ski whoopin up on everyone. (not that there is anything wrong w/ that)

I think Yamaslut is right, if there were more options, people like me wouldn't feel as though competing was totally out of the question. Which, I believe is the case right now. I'm not suggesting that anyone on a ski should be able to join a given class, I just think if there were more classes we would draw more 'average' riders to grow the sport.

If you want to talk progression, I think you need more people in the sport. More people = more competition (and more market... Paul should like that). But there needs to be a broader spectrum for the classes to draw more people. Not to mention, most people don't have 15k to 30k to drop in a ski and that makes it harder to compete at the current levels as well.

If there were a class for me to aspire to compete in, I would work harder at riding than I do now to try and get to that level. I'm not saying have classes for people that can ride in a circle, then for people who can ride backwards in a circle, etc, etc.

Are there any others out there that feel as though current competition is beyond 'average' reach... either in dollars invested and/or mad skills required?

 

[hobbyz]

Maybe it's time to break Amateur into Novice and Expert after all of these years. Limit novice to basic mods like a head, pipe, prop, and grate. Let Experts run under the current Amateur rules, and make it anything goes for Pro.

The problem I see with this is that there isn't enough participation to fill the Amateur class today. That might change if novice-level riders didn't have to go up against the big-money setups in Amateur, but who knows?

What he said.

 

[jeepmark4x4]

they need a stock 650 SJ class uttahere:...but seriously a novice class is a great idea

 

[typhoontommy]

problem is, you are not going to see much of that at the Amature level.......... yes, the sport has changed............. Nedra and I talked at length in Nashville about this.............we both like the idea of having 2 stages of competition.........

1. Compulsary - you have 2 minutes to perform several standard tricks, maybe pic 8 out of 14 possible or something along those lines........

2. Freeride - Go Big, Go Stylin or whatever you can do........... But each trick would have a degree of difficulty.......... you may pull 3 backflips and 2 rolls and get beat buy the guy that cranked out 15 flawless tricks and not one of them was a flat water back flip..................


and the winner is based on the combination of both runs........

This is similar to a couple ideas I (We) have with a couple of our WFWA shows. The idea is to create a competition within our shows at select events, which would be based on on a couple diferent areas of jet sking, like you stated above.

 

[Jr.]

Saki made the comment "as said by the motor builder" Yes, I said it & look at it this way. Right now there is only a hand full of us that build these motors. I would love to say I do nothing but build big HP race motors all day, Sorry guys, thats a big dream I have. I work on rereational sit downs far more than performace stand ups...... That is a fact!, The turn side is, when full mod was there & all the aftermarket involvment. I was 80% performance & there were 5 times the number of builders that there are today. That is good for everybody, mostly the riders. Far more sponsorship money was avail to the competors!!!


Idealy, A race day should be as long as a football game or a Nascar race.
The event would need to flow. The spectators attention needs to be captured & held. As we all know, this is just not possible. The class structure doesn't allow for it. Adding more classes will only make it worse.
It's a game of give & take, the promotors have been doing this for years, it's not getting any better.

This is a great thread. I have been calling several promotors I know & refering them to it.............. keep it up & keep it civil

ski ya, Paul

 

[Shonuff]

I disagree with having to do a compulsory list of tricks. In the olympics, figure skaters had to skate perfect figure eights as part of their compulsory until 1992 (?) when the committee dropped them. Why? Too boring.

Now, it's just big air. A few people liked the painstaking precision of the eights, everyone else wanted to see triple salchows.

Such is life.

Bring on the big power and get Paul a summer home.

 

[Moondance]

I like to run my mouth.

down the side of my leg

Sorry Saki....but that just sounds GAY:bigeyes:

 

[cambo au]

i would like to see one for one one arial manouvre followed by a hood trick or the likes i watched malones run and thought it was amasing and i understand thatthis is the way the sport is going and i am all for it but watching it the routine has to many gaps in it when they are setting up for the next trick and i am all for an open class any thing gos
just my 02

 

[SUPERJET-113]

I'm gonna send this thread to Frazier. There are a lot of good ideas here.

 

[FL-cracker]

This is a great thread. I have been calling several promotors I know & refering them to it.............. keep it up & keep it civil

ski ya, Paul

That is the best thing I have seen written all day!:arms:

Promotors please read Yamasluts 1st post.:biggrin: I think those would be the two perfect classes. I would be all over the AM class for sure!

Can someone tell me what the AM class rules are as of now?

 

[Big Kahuna]

AM Class Rules: Ski setup follow Mod Class Rules......... Engine Displacement cannot be greater than 800cc.......

Aftermarket Hull may be use, but the Top Deck must be OEM.......

 

[Matt_E]

Aftermarket Hull may be use, but the Top Deck must be OEM..

What? I've never heard of an A/M hull with OEM topdeck. What am I missing?

 

[Big Kahuna]

only the pro's can use AM top Deck.

 

[Matt_E]

So why spec a/m hull but oem topdeck? Is there such a thing?