Steel Epoxy versus Aluminum Epoxy for Crankcase Filling/Porting

So in a recent thread discussion about epoxy filling, some Members used steel epoxy (JB Weld) while some recommended using aluminum epoxy like Devcon.

Seems like having like/similar metals would make sense, but does this make thermal expansion sense? As in the epoxy filling/patch expanding and contracting in harmony with the aluminum casting...

Lets start with the fact that the Aluminum coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE) is about 24 x 10 to the -6 power per degree; I will just use 24 to keep things simple. So we want the epoxy filling/patch to have a CTE as close to 24 as possible, that way it expands and contracts in synch with the Aluminum casting as much as possible thereby reducing cracking and flaking.

Steel has a CTE of about 12 and Epoxy Resin has a CTE of about 50. So the CTE of the Steel Epoxy Resin mixture will end up with a CTE somewhere lower than 50, but higher than 12, because the metal will help to lower the CTE and make it more stable.

Then, Aluminum plus Epoxy will end up with a CTE somewhere between 24 and 50. And Steel plus Epoxy will be somewhere between 12 and 50.

Assuming the same amount of metal is added to each epoxy mixture, which mixture will have the lowest CTE closest to the Aluminum Casting?

The Steel Epoxy mixture will have the lower CTE. So JB Weld Steel will perform better than Devcon because it has a lower CTE, thus more stability and strength. And JB Weld is so much cheaper.

What say you?
 

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Cases dont get hot enough for your theories to matter, All heat generated is high up on the Cyl.
Epoxy failures happen due to poor prep of the voids that is being filled. Cast alum will act like a sponge and become oil impregnated.
If cases are not thoroughly cleaned, and etched. They will have a shortened lifespan.
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Look for an aluminum filled epoxy rated up to 250F. Most aviation epoxy will work with some good to 350F. Blast with aluminum oxide for best adhesion.
 

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I am going to say I have seen some seriously crazy stuff done with JB Weld, one of the craziest was on a carb for a racing go cart, the guy took tubes of JB Weld mixed it up and built up the outside of the carb up with it , then they bored the Aluminum out of the inside and installed a bigger throttle plate , it looked like ass but it smoked everyone elses nice shiny high dollar carbs.
 
"J-B Weld™ has a tensile strength of 5020 PSI and sets to a hard bond overnight. It can withstand temperatures up to 550ºF when fully cured."

versus

"DEVCON Aluminum Liquid (F-2) Adhesive Tensile Shear 2,700 psi and Temperature Resistance Wet: 120°F, Dry: 250°F"

JB Weld is twice as strong and can handle twice the heat at a very low price.

There is no Corrosion issue with the Steel particles in the JB Weld reacting with the Aluminum Case. Engine already have a Cast Iron Sleeve in contact with the Aluminum Cylinder Block.

Crankcases do get warm during sustained operation such as a Hot 12-Lap Moto around the Buoy Course. In the Texas Summers, I can't even keep my hand on my STOCK Engine Flywheel Cover.

Maybe that's why some Dirt Bikes have external Cooling Fans for the Cases.

Posters have said they favor Aluminum Epoxy but not WHY it's better than JB Weld...
 

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The aluminum is just the filler. Its a great material for this application. Cheap epoxy turns soft when the temps get up to 150F. Carefully consider the max temps. Sometimes an expensive higher temp epoxy is required.
 
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