Spraying paint

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
I was painting my ski with rustolium in a can. It rolled on great on the bottom, but the top is just to contour to get the paint to go on smooth. I want to just spray it. It should not only go on smoother, but it should dry faster and harder. My brother loaned his sprayer to me. He told me how to use it but he's never actually used it himself (it was free). I already have the paint, so suggesting another material isn't going to be helpful.

Any tips would be appriciated.

I think I need to thin the paint 50/50 with mineral spirits, and the primer 50/50 with water, set the compressor and the gun, and spray.

Thanks.
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
That's what I was following. He used a roller and I did too on the bottom. I'm wanting to use a gun on the top. The top is very contoured and the roller wont work.
 

Boris

The Good Old Days
Since my appliance rattle can paint job didn't hold up worth a damn I'm going to give the roller a try.

How many coats and/or how much paint did you use on the bottom ?

I hope this stuff lasts longer than the rattle can.
 

daylite67

Paint Ride Shoot Edit
Location
Seattle Wa
That's what I was following. He used a roller and I did too on the bottom. I'm wanting to use a gun on the top. The top is very contoured and the roller wont work.

The bottom is much more contoured than the top.
A roller will work. It will take time and patience.
The trick is to lay down several layers, take your time and sand a lot.
Spraying it on may help you out a bit. but really the trick is to sand the color flat then lay on another coat, and repeat until you can wetsand it smooth have even consistancy over the entire plane and then buff it out. If you are going to go the Rustolium route then the price isn't in $$ but in the time you spend. In the end a good paint job will always cost you something.
 

gj_fx1

X-H2
I'm no expert at all, but using a primer that can be thinned with water on a boat doesn't sound too good.
 

adet16v

No like winter
I have been considering trying one of these paint jobs on my squarenose...

couple questions- (I'm very new to painting)

1. Has anyone tried to add metal flake and apply it in this way with the enamel cut with mineral spirits? Results?

2. What is the durability of this type of paint job compared to a regular spray job?

3. What type of clearcoat is best with this type of paint for gloss and durability purposes?

I'm assuming the clear coat would be added after buffing out the final coat of enamel.
 
1. Has anyone tried to add metal flake and apply it in this way with the enamel cut with mineral spirits? Results?

2. What is the durability of this type of paint job compared to a regular spray job?

3. What type of clearcoat is best with this type of paint for gloss and durability purposes?

I'm assuming the clear coat would be added after buffing out the final coat of enamel.


"Apply it in this way"? What way, are you talking about? with a roller? I can't imagine that would work. You could test it out on a test panel (get a piece of wood or something). You can't sand metallics, so if you are using a roller or something and relying on sanding to get it smooth and flat, metallics wouldn't work (unless you clear coated and sanded the clearcoat, see below)

You are talking about clear coating, so I assume you are going to spray that, so if you have a sprayer, why not spray it all? If using a single stage paint (like Rustoleum) you don't need a clear coat. For clear coat to stick you either need a chemical bond (apply it before the basecoat cures) or a mechanical bond (sand with 600 grit). If you sand 600 grit and then clear, you will see all the scratches in the basecoat (typically if you waited too long and your base cured, you would have to sand the base, reapply base and then clear it before it cures). I doubt you would get a chemical bond unless Rustoleum makes a clear coat as you would be mixing brands/types of paint.

Wow was I skepitcal about painting with Rustoleum, but I will say the car in that link looks pretty good! I'm not about to sell my spray guns, however....
 
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Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
How many coats and/or how much paint did you use on the bottom ?

1 coat primer, 2 coats silver then 2 coats blue. I think 1 quart of blue and 1 quart of primer would have been sufficent to do the whole boat.

The bottom is much more contoured than the top.

That is not true. In addition to the top haveing much more extreme contour, it is also more concaved. Rolling over a convexed section is easy. Using a touch up brush on a convexed section makes the paint go on very thick, which means very slow drying times.

I'm no expert at all, but using a primer that can be thinned with water on a boat doesn't sound too good.

Meh, I'll let you know how it turns out. I used primer on the bottom. No primer on the top. If the paint stays on one and not the other, we'll know.

1. Has anyone tried to add metal flake and apply it in this way with the enamel cut with mineral spirits? Results?

The guy at the automotive paint store said it wouldn't work. The metal flake wouldn't bond correctly with the rustolium. I also asked about prices. If you're going to spend the $$ to get metal flake to put into the rustolium, just buy the automotive paint with the metal flake in it. Automotive paint has hardeners, and comes in thousands and thousands of colors. Spend the few extra dollars and get automotive paint. (ex. Adding pearl to rustolium would costs $15 + can of rustolium $8 = $25, Blue pearl automotive paint was $25-$30 a can.)

3. What type of clearcoat is best with this type of paint for gloss and durability purposes?

You do not use clear coat. The paint does not require a clear coat. In addition, without a clear coat there and easy access to rollers and paint... if you do scratch it... touch it up, sand smooth.

Wow was I skepitcal about painting with Rustoleum, but I will say the car in that link looks pretty good! I'm not about to sell my spray guns, however....

Be skeptical. My pictures look as good as that guys. My silver on the bottom was blinding when the ski was outside, upside down in the sun. However, it is not as smooth as a car. Pictures are deceiving. I did try to sand the bottom with 2000 grit, but it actually took away the shine (but boy, that area I sanded with 2000 SMOOOOOOTH!!! but not shiny.). The roller does not go on smooth at all, and the sand paper was taking off the metalics in the aluminum paint. I'm hoping to have better luck with the top, it has no primer, but so far it's loosing shine with the sand paper.

Personally, I think the entire boat could be done with one quart of automotive paint. I'll eventually do a boat with automotive and can compare costs, but at this time, it seems like automotive wouldn't have been much more expensive, have been more duarable, with a better color selection and the option of peal or metal flake for not much more money. I haven't priced it out, but I would venture to say automotive is the best option.

I think the rustolium job could be done with 1 can of paint, defentily with one can of paint and one of primer. That's $17, + $10-$20 in rollers (they clog up and can only be used 2-3 times, more if you pushed it), $3 for 100 grit to sand the hull, $3 for 600 grit b/t coats, $3 for 2000 grit to finish. $10 for a gallon of mineral spirits. Personally, I also bought a can of aluminum and a can of black to do some other things, but if you didn't want to do that, then you could have saved that $$. I think everything I have was $50-$70. Like I said, $18 of that was having multipile colors, and possibly another $8 going to an unecessary primer.

NOTE: we're off track. I wasn't asking about rolling paint. I was asking about spraying the paint. I think I might thin the paint 5-10%. 50% is pretty damn runny. I don't know how that guy rolled on 50/50 paint. It's like wiping water on it. It was so runny, it ran under the tape.
 

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WFO Speedracer

A lifetime ban is like a lifetime warranty !
Location
Alabama
You will always loose shine when you sand,you have to buff the surface to bring back the gloss,theres a reason they call it sandpaper,thats just plain silly right there.
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
I did buff it. It wouldn't buff back to a shine. It was smoother after I sanded, but more shiny before I sanded. I am sure I could have gotten better results with more coats and more work. I would have done a better job, but I want this thing done sooner than later, and noone can tell me how long it will hold up, so why waste the time?
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
OMG, my 1st experiance with a spray gun. I had fun.

When I was done, it was blue! It, being the jet ski, in addition to me, the ground, the paper and tape, the house, the cars, basically, if it was in 2 square miles of my house or 5 miles downwind, it is now blue.

I had a blast.

Anyway, here's some pics of the spray job. It was my 1st, so don't rip on me too bad. I'm happy with it. I mixed the paint until "It looked good" (even though i don't know what it was suppose to look like). It was probably 10% mixed. It splattered some, so I think I had the pressure too low, or the paint too thick. I think the paint was way too thick. Probably 25% would be best. Anyway, I'm happy with it and I had a good time. That's the only 2 things that matter.

I would say that this is a better choice than a rattle can if you already own a gun and like one of the few colors you can buy in the quart.
 

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KaosFreestyle

White on White
Location
Mequon, WI
I will give you props because the pictures look decent. Though I do see some nasty orange peel. I'm not sure how much you ended up spending do that. But I dropped $200 for primer/paint/clear last spring to paint my Kawasaki.
 

Vumad

Super Hero, with a cape!
Location
St. Pete, FL
Lets say I were to have done everything with the gun, used one color, no primer.

$8 for paint (use a whole quart)
$10 for mineral spirits (use a whole gallon if spraying)
$10 in sand paper (comes in sheets of 5 so lots of left overs)
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$30

I used 3 colors, a pimer and some brushes, so for me, like $60. If I could go back... I wouldn't use primer (the paint sticks better without the primer and that pisses me off). I also bought the black and the silver to paint some parts I have that were too nasty to polish out, and paint the engine, etc, so the hull only costs $40 give or take some trial and error. I'd say $30 is resonable for someone who knew what they were doing, had the gun and the compressor. Tape wouldn't be necessary with a single color, but figure 3-5 $ more for that.

yes, lots of orange peal, but that's my fault for not knowing what I was doing. There is no orange peal on the bottom where I used a roller. There'd be none on the top if I knew how to use a gun. That is why I didn't use any filler. I just sanded in the hopes the paint would stick.
 
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