omg wtf is a msd tl ?

[skiskank]

more techie questions from the noob on the block,

what is a msd total loss? is it the ignition? what does the aftermarket one (total loss) do that the oem doesn't. it must be a good change it seems all modded ski's have it swapped. what all is required to be changed once this swap is done? i'm looking at a stocker with no real engine upgrades. i'd like to change the pipe this winter along with the intake and impeller.

 

[GDFL]

It's a non-charging ignition system. All of the energy goes to the spark and you have to charge your battery after a couple tanks of gas. It really gives you some nice power down low. The downsides are that it is expensive and somewhat difficult to setup properly. It's usually one of those mods done about the time you want/need a stroker motor.

 

[SuperJETT]

oem/charging ignition/msd enhancer - stator and flywheel charge the ignition and battery and fire the ignition, the ignition is powered by a coil on the stator, not the battery

msd total loss - there is only a small trigger on the stator, small magnets in the flywheel trigger it to fire the ignition which draws all it's power from the battery. the battery is not charged at all. the ignition brain is also very programmable for whatever timing curve you want enabling big power increases along with the hotter spark it creates. the flywheel is also MUCH lighter due to not having big magnets to charge the ignition/battery which allows the engine to rev quicker due to less inertia and less load from not charging the components.

 

[stuntbikemike]

total loss is for flatwater freestyle imo because of the battery issues....plus the pain of getting them in the salt water is great....go with an advent....Its not a total loss but gives a little charge....still needs a good battery to run proper and is half the money...but for a stroker sounds like your spending the big bucks.....if your looking for the right builder get ahold of Pat at x metaluttahere:

 

[YAMA CAT]

MSD Yamaha® Enhancer (PN 4253)

Have these on all three of our boats with various stages of mods. They have worked rather will for us and you feel a definite preformance gain over stock. These are easy install compared to TL, and no battery recharge necessary.

MSD Total Loss System Kit

I planning on installing one of these for one of my little projects. After you have ridden a boat with TL properly set up. You get TL envy

 

[skiskank]

thank for the good info everyone. i've already got TL envy along with bpipe envy and a miriad of other ailments. with any luck i'll recover next spring.

 

[sjetrider]

thank for the good info everyone. i've already got TL envy along with bpipe envy and a miriad of other ailments. with any luck i'll recover next spring.

If you stock now on an SJ I would recomend the following mods prior to TL;
B-Pipe
Prop (Skat Track swirl 12/17 or Solas Concord 13/15 cut back)
Intake grate
Carbs
Foot holds
Then look into total loss.

Just My opinion:shrug:

 

[Superjetjim]

If you stock now on an SJ I would recomend the following mods prior to TL;
B-Pipe
Prop (Skat Track swirl 12/17 or Solas Concord 13/15 cut back)
Intake grate
Carbs
Foot holds
Then look into total loss.

Just My opinion:shrug:

X2.. You dont want to be dicking around with timing curves if you don´t know what your doing, it can get expensive!.. I run a 6mm DASA stroker on an MSD Enhancer and it RIPS!

The mods listed above are good - I would add a scupper valve to the list and also a stock steering mod to increase nozzle throw.. Blowsion do a nice one

http://www.blowsion.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=03-01-707´

Good luck - and be warned - Jetski parts are like Crack!!:Banane25:

 

[hangtime]

Not worth the money or hassle is what it is .No one ever gained more power from a hotter spark .Just get a lightened flywheel and advance your timing

 

[Matt_E]

Very true, but the performance TL offers doesn't come from a hotter spark.
Programmable + more advance down low possible + 1.75lbs flywheel without electromagnetic drag = kicks the ******** out of a lightened flywheel and rotated stator.

 

[Waste Land]

Not worth the money or hassle is what it is .No one ever gained more power from a hotter spark .Just get a lightened flywheel and advance your timing

Completely diff...rode them back to back...the diffrence is huge

Its more so the programmable curve and the really really light flywheel.....good revs and killer curve

 

[Millertime]

I love the MSD total loss, but you should start with a pipe, head and a few other mods and see how into it you want to get.

 

[SUPERTUNE]

All Pro ski's I build... ALL have MSD-TL ignitions:smokin:
Sorry hangtime, there's a major difference in engine RPM acceleration.
Maybe someday you can stop in and ride a X Scream prepared ski w/MSD-TL and see for yourself.mfg:

 

[hangtime]

I would love to try the same ski back to back with and without .
I prefer not having to worrry about a dead battery in the surf a mile from my launch .

For lake riders that's not an issue obviously .

 

[Matt_E]

A dead battery was always the least of my worries with TL. It's not really an issue. A good battery will last six to eight hours, with dual bilges running full time.

 

[hangtime]

A dead battery was always the least of my worries with TL. It's not really an issue. A good battery will last six to eight hours, with dual bilges running full time.

If it was that good everyone would have it .Kinda like AM exhausts

 

[Matt_E]

It's expensive, a pain in the ass to set up, and can have terrible reliability if the "setting up" isn't done right.

It really is that great performance wise.