nose stab question??

[aqua]

I have been working on my stabs and would really like to get inverted. this seems to be about as far as i can get around. i make a prehop to the right and when i land i preload with my legs, crank bars to left, peg throttle and go at it kinda like when doings subs....feet up, bars down. any tips so that i can get upside down?

 

[Matt_E]

Heh...that's how i was last year, almost exactly to the tee.
Practice, practice, practice. Tuck, roll, pole down, weight forward, throw your body into the roll (!!!), all that noise.
I still suck, I lack the air, but I get 180 deg inverted now.
I did a 2/3 roll this past weekend of a boat wake. Also, it's all about commitment.

 

[DaUpJetSkier]

footholds would help, doesnt look like you have any unless you just arent in em.

 

[aqua]

wow....fast replies....thanks guys. there are footholds there....kickers. maybe i need to put more weight forward. seems easier though with an empty tank. my feet are in the holds.

 

[x-jetter]

i had the same problem. when i made the small hop to the right, then the big crank to the left, it would cause me to do more of a 180 than a stab. i'd find myself landing facing the way i came from, and flat instead of inverted. this worked pretty good for me and helped me to learn: stop doing the small hop to the right. go straight up the wave, then instead of just cranking the bars, throw your whole body to the left and pull up with the bars once you get upside down. this helped me get fully inverted, and enter nose first, causing the huge vertical fountain spray :biggthumpup:

 

[SJBrit]

What you need to remember is that you don't really need to do much to help the ski turn - twisting the bars and pinning the throttle does more than you can ever do with your body. The body action is all about getting the tail up out of the water. So, first focus on the pre-jump: hop to the right, then hop to the left. When you have a rhythm down, then go for the bar twist and throttle pin. At the same time throw your weight hard forwards and slightly left, but really focus on getting forward. I always tell people on a round nose to try to bite the filler cap - that really is what you are doing: throwing your head towards the front left of the ski. If you're trying to do an inverted sub, then you have to keep your body forwards and low, which will make you spin flatter. To go for a nice vertical nose-stab entry you need to straighten your legs part way through the spin to kill the rotation and get the ski vertical.

Oh yeah, and PRACTICE!!

 

[djkorn1]

What he said... get your head up forward... A helmet would help... you don't want to blow out an eardrum on the water, however!

 

[aqua]

ok guys...i went out tonight and somehow got almost completely inverted :arms: ....i dont know exactly how i did it. on the way to the water i just kept telling my self..."more weight forward and to left, more weight forward and to left".......then when i get out there everthing just leaves my mind somehow. anyway i did what i would call a pogo "somewhat inverted" stab. when i was getting inverted for some reason i lifted my pole from the ski and when i landed my hands were above my head and my feet in the holds.....my belly almost touched the back of my hood i think causing my back to arc forward....way forward .....the ski just pogo'd back up like a pogo stick. needless to say i was a little more cautious on my next few tries since my back was aching and that kept me from getting inverted again. :dunno: does anybody else have that problem. thanks

 

[DaUpJetSkier]

I did that last night too, but I wouldnt keep on the throttle and get slammed into the tray and hood. I think I had the pole too high, or maybe just need more throttle in to pop up. Im getting there, maybe next ride.

 

[DaUpJetSkier]

slymo doing up with style, old vid but textbook stab with the finger point
http://superjett.com/displayimage.php?album=154&pos=16

 

[aqua]

slymo makes it looks so easy. thanks for the vid

 

[noodle]

Ive been trying to learn the same trick, djkorn's sugestion of a helmet is a good one. I stuffed one atempt up so bad that I knocked myself out on the hood, leaving a fist sized crack in the hood and myself floating in the water. Couldn't remember what I did wrong until I saw the video and I did what you said I lifted the pole. I always wear my helmet now.uch: and I found I rotate better when I tuck down.:biggthumpup:

 

[Superjetjim]

Get the power on as you go in inverted - this pulls the ski under and round (and gets a really cool vertical plume!!:Banane01: ) plus it stops you hitting the ski if your poles to high...

I've just learnt this trick in the last few weeks and I would say the following:

1) Its ALL in the 'S' as you take off your wake - (steer right as you approach the face of the wave until your parallel with it)
2) Then crank full left lock and full power - as you ride up the face of the wave put all your body weight on your left foot.
3) Keep your legs straight and relax them
4) As you leave the water (bars cranked left and full throttle) pretend your falling over to the left - almost like you going to flop into the water - this allows your feet to rotate up into the air (weird feeling at first) and round you go..
5) If you feel a good slap on your cheeks chances are you've got it right and gone in upside down :cheer:
6) Any forward speed you had pulls the back down as the nose catches - apply gas for a nice plume!

You only need to be going slowly IMHO (just on the plane) assuming you've got a pipe and a 701/760 - my Avatar is from a couple of weekends ago using the method listed above.

Cheers

Jim

 

[Superjetjim]

Here's a full size version of the picture so you can see the wake.

Not sure if its an invert more than a stab?...

 

[FL-cracker]

Did you come out clean in that picture? That is a big nasty stab right der!

 

[SJBrit]

Caution is the enemy of style....

You're learning aerial moves now, and any half-a$$ed attempts are likely to lead to bad outcomes. Many of my injuries have happened following thought processes like "shall I stab this wave? Hmmm, dunno. Oh what the heck why not?" That's just not enough commitment to do it right.

Aqua, I can tell you how you got inverted - you didn't realize how much it could hurt if you got it wrong, so you just went for it without hesitation. Nose stabs are rarely that painful unless you pancake them, so throw caution to the wind and do it again - you clearly have the technique in you somewhere.

A good tip for keeping the pole down is to tighten the pivot bolts at the bottom: if you ever ride a full-on freestyle machine you'll realize how tight everyone has their pole locked down. If you don't like that then add a short pole limiting strap while you're learning - it'll help your style and save your pole.

And remember: chicks dig scars....

 

[Superjetjim]

SJBrit is right - crank that pole down - mine is almost unmoveable with a limiter strap as backup. landing between the pole and hood sucks...!

Also make sure its DEEP - I did one last week in 6ft deep water and really hit the bottom hard, I have bruises... even the chicks laughed..!

 

[WaveDemon]

Caution is the enemy of style....

that's awesome. :biggthumpup:

 

[Frosty]

A good tip for keeping the pole down is to tighten the pivot bolts at the bottom: if you ever ride a full-on freestyle machine you'll realize how tight everyone has their pole locked down.

At first it will feel a little uncomfortable/unnatural. I didn't like it at first, but I found it really helps to keep the pole where you want it... especially trying BR's... I found it helped to keep me in a tighter crouch... where before I kept getting upright mid way through my rotation. I'm still not landing many rolls, but I'm getting there.

 

[felix5oh]

Wow , i'm learning here. This is the trick i want to learn. What aftermarket parts do i need to tighten my pole? Is it ratcheting?

How far back in the tray do my feet need to be? You said weight to the side your turning into, just as if i was carving in the smooth?