More flatwater backflip attempts - still can't get it

[freestylegeek]

This trick continues to drive me crazy. I know It's a timing or body position thing. I think I just need to ride with someone that can do it. Any pointers from people that are actually doing them?

 

[Waternut]

What kind of engine are you running? It wasn't until the last or maybe the second to last attempt that you even got the ski remotely out of the water. The rest of the attempts, the back end just kind of left the wave and fell down.

 

[SJBrit]

Let me preface this by stating that I haven't got all the way round yet either, but I've been studying a lot of footage and I think you have the same problem that I do: you're not getting your back arched as you go around. Good butt-down initial rotation, but the successful flips I've seen on a regular hull require your legs to be straight (which you got on one of those), the pole pulled into your chest, and your hips pushed way forward. It's the hips forward part that I think we are both lacking. Not sure of that will get you all the way round, but I think it might get you a bit further.

 

[Lucaumpits]

I would say u need a little better form, stretch your legs and push your belly forward, with that your pole will come to your chest, and also some more braap, on a boat wake I'm sure you got it down, and make sure you use the trim for your set up wake.
my 0.2

 

[WILKEY]

personally id start with a helmet. then ditch it once u figure it out

 

[WaveDemon]

you get more air with your BR's than your BF. could your trim be too aggressive? It looks like your trim is rotating you quickly but not getting you in the air at all.

 

[freestylegeek]

After watching the video from this weekend above, I think I'd be better off going back to my old style. I used to try to drop the nose as far as possible into the water before powering up the wave, then get the boat to spin around me. I also made more of a 'v' wake and timed it to hit the lip better. I'll have to try this style again next time.

This "wider wave", "hit it faster" junk is just screwing the whole thing up.

 

[freestylegeek]

I would say u need a little better form, stretch your legs and push your belly forward, with that your pole will come to your chest, and also some more braap, on a boat wake I'm sure you got it down, and make sure you use the trim for your set up wake.
my 0.2

I'm at full 'braaap', and using all 26.5º of my trim on my set-up as well as my launch. I REFUSE to use a boat wake because they're totally different than a set-up wave or a big lake (or ocean) wave. I hate boat wakes.

personally id start with a helmet. then ditch it once u figure it out

All a helmet would do is make my head more buoyant and cause it to hit the boat when I land upside down. I've never even come close to hitting my head on backflip attempts because I sink into the water so much farther than the boat does. Usually, the boat gets ripped out of my hands because it stays on the surface and I sink.

you get more air with your BR's than your BF. could your trim be too aggressive? It looks like your trim is rotating you quickly but not getting you in the air at all.

I think I'm trying to go too fast, and I'm not making the correct style set-up wave (see the older video I just posted).

 

[Mark44]

After watching the video from this weekend above, I think I'd be better off going back to my old style. I used to try to drop the nose as far as possible into the water before powering up the wave, then get the boat to spin around me. I also made more of a 'v' wake and timed it to hit the lip better. I'll have to try this style again next time.

This "wider wave", "hit it faster" junk is just screwing the whole thing up.

Much better geek you are almost there.

Mark44

 

[ShowtimeStocks]

what setup you running

 

[WILKEY]

bahahahah ok man just dont wanna see ya get hurt. i know i been messed up more on flatwater than in surf. keep on gettin it superman

 

[Watty]

I'm certainly no expert, but when flipping on smaller waves (like 2 foot) I let the ski go up and I end up nearly looking at my feet with my arms fully stretched out. This allows the ski to gain momentum and forces you closer to the ski which makes your rotation faster. I think if you did that on the second video, you'd nail it.

...I also think that you need to hit a little faster to allow your engine and your body english to help you out.

 

[WILKEY]

stop the last vid at 2 and 3 seconds. ur ass should be hitting your heels there

 

[freestylegeek]

I'm certainly no expert, but when flipping on smaller waves (like 2 foot) I let the ski go up and I end up nearly looking at my feet with my arms fully stretched out. This allows the ski to gain momentum and forces you closer to the ski which makes your rotation faster. I think if you did that on the second video, you'd nail it.

...I also think that you need to hit a little faster to allow your engine and your body english to help you out.

I think you're right on there. I need to think about getting the boat to spin around me, instead of me spinning with the boat.

stop the last vid at 2 and 3 seconds. ur ass should be hitting your heels there

Good point. I think if I use that squatting with my old technique (2nd video), I should be able to get close.

 

[craven]

I haven done a back flip yet, but the most obvious thing to me is .... your head, Take a look at where you are looking. When you get in the air it looks like you are looking at the nose of the ski. Your body will follow your head. On your barrel rolls your head is cranked in front of your roll which is what I am getting at. I bet if you look up above you as you leave the water it will get you around further. I seems ,when you start to leave the water, you just stop your rotation because you stop leading your body with your head by looking at the nose of the ski. See if you can find a video on youtube of a Japan rider doing back flips in slow motion. YOu can see his head looking up which in turn arches his back, which in turn throws his hips forward. Remember, your body will follow your head. Good luck. Points for trying.

 

[SJBrit]

When you get in the air it looks like you are looking at the nose of the ski. Your body will follow your head.

That's my problem too - got to be looking at the water, not the nose. But the inly way to get your head thrown back is to get your back arched, which is what I was getting at.

 

[freestylegeek]

I haven done a back flip yet, but the most obvious thing to me is .... your head, Take a look at where you are looking. When you get in the air it looks like you are looking at the nose of the ski. Your body will follow your head...Remember, your body will follow your head. Good luck. Points for trying.

I know I'm screwing that up too. Everytime I try one, I end up locking my gaze on the stupid bow-eye! I need to watch the tray leave the water, then imediately, toss my head and spot my landing.

 

[Roo]

I know I'm screwing that up too. Everytime I try one, I end up locking my gaze on the stupid bow-eye! I need to watch the tray leave the water, then imediately, toss my head and spot my landing.

my problem exactly - watch the front end of the ski coming back at me. it is a trick that has me super frustrated to. i am not throwing my head back and looking for the landing - which in turn leads to poor body position.

 

[SJBrit]

There's something mesmerizing about the bow eye - just can't take your eyes off it!!

 

[Waternut]

I don't have the problem of looking at the front of the ski but I typically see a cloud in the sky and that becomes my new focus point until I end up on my head in the water...lol