Man killed on Maumee River

Emm

skank
Location
Huntsville, AL
ok.....lets say a doctor is performing eye surgery and operates on the wrong eye and you lose your vision....BUT the doctor is going through a divorce and doesn't feel "good" and wasn't working to his full potential....is that ok? Should he just regret his actions and that be it? Should he not be punished? I mean...he had a good excuse...right?

You are saying that as long as he has a good excuse he isn't responsible....
 
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tom21

havin fun
Location
clearwater FL
I agree with all the responsibility aspect for the cable but I was trying to make a point of MAKE SURE YOU COVER YOUR OWN AZZ-ALWAYS!!!! don't rely on the guy who "should have" to protect you from harming or killing yourself.

since there has been alot of witty sayings being tossed around lately here is one of my favorites.

watch out for #1 or you will end up in #2
 

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
ok.....lets say a doctor is performing eye surgery and operates on the wrong eye and you lose your vision....BUT the doctor is going through a divorce and doesn't feel "good" and wasn't working to his full potential....is that ok? Should he just regret his actions and that be it? Should he not be punished? I mean...he had a good excuse...right?

You are saying that as long as he has a good excuse he isn't responsible....

If the Doctor is feeling bad he should not have been doing surgery. Bad Example.

Doctor Operates on wrong eye is pure neglegence. Doctor operating on eye and nicks a nerve with a knife because a nurse runs in screaming, a bomb goes off, power flickers is an accident, he may at that very moment had something happen that is totally beyound his control. Chit happens.

You still have missed my point.

I never said the workers should just get off scott free. I did say it is something they will live with forever. That alone can be very punishing in its self, Knowing that you made a mistake that caused someone to die. Making them pay $1,000,000 is not going to change anything. Not every accident is negligence.

Contractor I work with sometimes does wood working for a hobby. He has been doing it for 30 years. Then one day he is doing the same rip on a table saw that he has done a hunderd thousand times got distracted at the wrong moment, he cut the tip of his finger off to the first joint.

There is always 2 sides.

Most likely these workers were negligent. My point is sometimes things just happen, the workers for what ever reason forgot to do something that they may have done a thousand times and it caused the death of someone. That can be called a terrible accident. Or the company failed to properly train the workers on safety, or they were just plain stupid.
 
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DirtyJ

Freedom aint free no more
watch out for #1 or you will end up in #2[/QUOTE]

That is one of the greatest sayings of all times!

I just wanted to say that, as for the topic at hand it has gottten way outta hand. It was an accident, yes someone died and that is truly a shame. I think the guilt of living with that would be pretty frigin rough. What is sueing going due? You honestly think the guy would risk having this happen again, come on! Sueing isnt the answer to everything but some people just wouldnt understand that. People that try for financial gain off of something this unfortunate should be impailed!!!
 

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
Oh, in the state where that bridge is, what are the boating laws concerning driving under bridges, someone mentioned "Idle" speed only. IF that is the case there, the the PWC Operator is negligent.
 

Emm

skank
Location
Huntsville, AL
If the Doctor is feeling bad he should not have been doing surgery. Bad Example.


Doctor Operates on wrong eye is pure neglegence. Doctor operating on eye and nicks a nerve with a knife because a nurse runs in screaming, a bomb goes off, power flickers is an accident, he may at that very moment had something happen that is totally beyound his control. Chit happens.

You still have missed my point.

I never said the workers should just get off scott free. I did say it is something they will live with forever. That alone can be very punishing in its self, Knowing that you made a mistake that caused someone to die. Making them pay $1,000,000 is not going to change anything. Not every accident is negligence.

Contractor I work with sometimes does wood working for a hobby. He has been doing it for 30 years. Then one day he is doing the same rip on a table saw that he has done a hunderd thousand times got distracted at the wrong moment, he cut the tip of his finger off to the first joint.

There is always 2 sides.

Most likely these workers were negligent. My point is sometimes things just happen, the workers for what ever reason forgot to do something that they may have done a thousand times and it caused the death of someone. That can be called a terrible accident. Or the company failed to properly train the workers on safety, or they were just plain stupid.

It doesn't matter who many times it has been done...it only takes that one time to kill/hurt someone. yes it may be an accident....BUT if it was preventable you should be held accountable. It doesn't have to be on purpose for it to be wrong. I guarantee right now if you were responsible for my loved one being killed because of one of your lame excuses I would NOT be worried about how you slept at night. YOU wouldn't matter. You would still be alive to kiss your daughter before bed every night.

You are worse than a woman...you argue with your emotions. It isn't really a gray area. Either it was something you could control or it wasn't....end of story.

Man...you can tell I have been living with an engineer .....I think it is sexually transmitted :cool2:
 

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
It doesn't matter who many times it has been done...it only takes that one time to kill/hurt someone. yes it may be an accident....BUT if it was preventable you should be held accountable. It doesn't have to be on purpose for it to be wrong. I guarantee right now if you were responsible for my loved one being killed because of one of your lame excuses I would NOT be worried about how you slept at night. YOU wouldn't matter. You would still be alive to kiss your daughter before bed every night.

You are worse than a woman...you argue with your emotions. It isn't really a gray area. Either it was something you could control or it wasn't....end of story.

Man...you can tell I have been living with an engineer .....I think it is sexually transmitted :cool2:

Actually I was just debating the opposite. Nothing to get worked up over!

Devils Advocate. There is always another view/side.

And I never said "They should not be held accountable"
 

Emm

skank
Location
Huntsville, AL
It is easy to say " Yeah, those puckers are gonna get sued"..........

what alot of people forget is the people envolved are just like you and I. At some point, they made a huge mistake, maybe the guy was going to put some flags up and got distracted. It happens. That is why it is called an accident. Those workers are going to have to live with it the rest of their lives. That is punishment enough.


is this not them not being held accountable? I think so.

I am off......arguing with you is worse than arguing with a teenager with PMS.

I have to go get my arse kicked at the gym.
 

Peter123

C-Note
Location
Houston, TX
If there had been a no-wake/idle law, I'd say the company were not liable for his death. But in this case where there are no speed restrictions under the bridge, I'd say the company is liable and should be held accountable.
 

Big Kahuna

Administrator
Location
Tuscaloosa, AL
is this not them not being held accountable? I think so.

I am off......arguing with you is worse than arguing with a teenager with PMS.

I have to go get my arse kicked at the gym.

You took what I said to literal.

If I did something that caused somebody to die, Hitting me with a $950,000 lawsuit, 3 years in jail, 8 years probation, I loose everything I own. Would not matter one damn bit. Why? Because everything I just listed is all that they could do to me, and are just materials and time. But until the day I die I would never forgive myself.

That is what I am referring to by saying "Those workers are going to have to live with it the rest of their lives. That is punishment enough. "
 

GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
Location
Cullman AL
Wow-2 PWC sights 2 weeks in a row. Accidents happen and people want to play the blame game. Nobody can just say they feel terrible for the family and move on-they have to talk about what could have been, should have been, and would have been. (to quote BK). Sitting here raising hell about what the 'worker' should have done is NOT going to bring this man back to life-so grow up and let it go. If you really want to do something worthwhile-pray for peace for the man's family.
 
I live like 5 minutes from that bridge. That river is nasty and I have no idea why anybody would ever want to ride in it anyhow. I lived here my whole life and didn't even think you were allowed to ride in it. They find dead bodies in that rver all the time. There is a massive damn like 1 mile away from where it happened, so I don't understand why these guys were in the river?
 

GIL

Power In The Hands Of Few
Location
Cullman AL
Damn, Logic from Gil.

Your right.

AMEN Brother.

Don't go getting all sentimental on me-I only act my age 1 time per year and this was it. lol The 1st thread of this nature over at the other site made me sick-the poor racers core temp did not have time to cool down yet and members were throwing blame big time.
 
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